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Where is the REAL problem with federal Labor - The Prime Minister or her Party ?
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Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 27 June 2013 6:29:06 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/shorten-forced-to-swing-the-axe-20130626-2oxln.html
Well refreshing anti! you took a risk, my sin was betting and I would have broke you if I saw that post. A little inside info, not from any connection to todays , but yesterdays close contacts I no longer have. AWU had the blood on its hands, I love that union. Inside the house Swan Shorten are life members. Ludwig is the son of the unions grandfather and powerful man, Bill. I think Bill,you work out what one, bought Rudd down. If you do not want Abbott to win be happy. He may even be replaced because of last night. If as I do you love Labor be very happy, last night broke the factions back, and heart. Anti you, along with many, will see a better fairer more intent on winning ALP. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 June 2013 8:17:38 AM
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Belly,
I suppose, in the final analysis, if sticking to a rigid factional decision sees you go whirling down the political gurgler and land on your butts out of government - then I think it was an intelligent decision to finally go with Rudd. I well remember just "knowing" that Howard was going to lose in 2007. The same inevitability hung over Labor under Gillard. Still an uphill job for Labor, but perhaps not quite as steep. Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 27 June 2013 8:24:40 AM
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Go early or go late ?
A sane person, a realist, would say to himself, go early before the bloom wears off. But what would as narcissist or a fantasist do ? Expect to bask in the sunshine of the people's adulation as long as possible. I'm betting he'll go late. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 27 June 2013 9:54:09 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/union-leader-paul-howes-now-at-odds-with-bill-shorten-for-backing-kevin-rudd-in-labor-leadership-ballot/story-fnho52ip-1226670770639
The link proves my party has already had a win. See Both Bill and Paul led/lead my union. Credited with 46 years membership on leaving, I never knew a union head was meant to control the party. But I knew Unions have plenty of work to do in the workplace. Born long before both mentioned blokes, I by the time of their birth, knew workers did not always like being lumped as fodder for others. And had an inkling a union ticket did not take away their right to an opinion. So believe me, we *workers unionists/ALP foot soldiers* had a win last night. Bill Shorten did too, his ego is as big as his ambitions, and nearly as big as his ability's. He in time will join this mornings two new Ministers, at the head of our party for decades to come. After Rudd leaves, maybe a decade, we have talent to burn for his job. And last night kick started the very heart of a dieing ALP we are alive and reform is assured. Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 June 2013 12:56:46 PM
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Belly, Shorten went up in my estimation because he made a very tough personal decision that will probably lead to your Union being deregistered.
He put his loyalty to the working class men and women of Australia to whom he owes his entire career above the threat of retribution from Ludwig and Howes for leaving them vulnerable to Gillard's files and mouth when she tries to negotiate her way out of jail for fraud and other crimes. He put that loyalty ahead of pleasing his wife and her mother, who have both made a career out of being feminists. He put it ahead of the plans to turn the ALP into a middle-class women's party with all the lovely disposable income for party donations and time for organising that middle-class women possess. I hope you appreciate just how much that loyalty will cost him. It may also spell the end of the Party as a major political force if the psychopath Gillard can manage it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist Factor 1: Affect Glibness/superficial charm Grandiose sense of self-worth Pathological lying Conning/manipulative Lack of remorse or guilt Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric) Callousness; lack of empathy Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions Factor 2: Case history "Socially deviant lifestyle." Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom Parasitic lifestyle Poor behavioral control Lack of realistic long-term goals Impulsivity Irresponsibility Juvenile delinquency Early behavior problems Revocation of conditional release Traits not correlated with either factor Promiscuous sexual behavior Many short-term (marital) relationships Criminal versatility Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e., a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive) Not many boxes Gillard doesn't tick, eh? Shorten is a brave man. Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 27 June 2013 9:30:45 PM
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"please explain", you say? Please read.