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Where is the REAL problem with federal Labor - The Prime Minister or her Party ?

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Belly, I don't disagree with what you say, but your Union has been owned for 20 years by one man. That man raised Gillard to the top of your party and that man kept her there while she destroyed it.

Your union must throw that man to the wolves or he will destroy it.

I was once a member of your union in Qld and I saw what that man did when a serious incident seriously injured a member of his union. I saw waht he did when an ungraded, unwatered 20 km long road that had to be travelled every day, by two shifts, caused a head on collision that left one of my mates in hospital for 6 months and others off work for weeks.

Do not defend him, he is scum of the earth and he surrounds himself with scum.
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 29 June 2013 5:56:46 PM
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Anti you have me in a vice.
I know,fully understand, and &%^ help me agree.
I know the bloke know his helpers, have to say like him and them.
But at the cost of my good name in my union *long gone* say you have that right.
My union drove,with him and Shorten the knifing of Rudd.
But in board rooms in that union all over this country this mornings polling force feeds humble pie to those who own those acts of unwed parents.
I still love the union.
Am content to know my past members still regard me as a mate, every union official who can not say that should be sacked.
But your troubles with them, in no way say the whole union acts that way.
A younger man sits in the QLD office, his time to lead is coming,and in all honesty he is a great man and leader in waiting.
I need to fill out more about Wilson so continued.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 30 June 2013 8:05:26 AM
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I doubt that any one posting here knew as much as I did about Wilson.
That great now dead Branch Secretary named him * a Cowboy*
That day I was red faced with anger, not at first knowing *no union man* knew he was to put lives at risk.
In fact my members said if answers did not come we would all leave the Union.
That hill billy had blindsided every one.
His reason? AWU was considering a construction only branch, to take on another union? maybe.
Wilson was acting as its head, BUT the assistant Secretary of my branch, unknown to us, was running for the same job.
Later as my duty took me in to the office weekly I found our,and agreed with, the plan had been, to scrap the second union if it got stated, it never did.
Assistant Secretary became Secretary on the death of the great man.
The union was at war,with its self after the coming together of both unions.
Bill Shorten AWU got to lead and soon got the union together, it would not be around without him.
Wilson ruffled many feathers, and his actions storming other unions sites saw my union challenged by the other construction union.
I as a Senior Delegate gave evidence against them,both rebutting lies said about me by their only member, in my workplace.
And some thing I treasure still, saw our National conference and national President say seeing my actions under that grilling as the highlight of his time in office.
Ego plays no part in my telling you that, my isolation from my union is understood, nothing is more x than an x.
And I will aways to want better, not rat bag use of that evil word *solidarity* HONESTY looks better to me if not past mates.
Anti I truly think that donated cash was for the second union that never got off the ground.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 30 June 2013 8:29:14 AM
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belly, I am not pleased to be saying these things. I know it cuts you to the quick and it took me a long while to accept it as well. Your national president owned Wilson. Wilson never got any money out of that stripping of the Widows and Orphans fund. Some of it was spent on a building for the Union and some other union purchases. Where's the rest? That was in 1992 as this front page from the Kalgoorlie miner shows.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/12/the-boulder-fund-kalgoorlie-miner-articles.html?cid=6a0177444b0c2e970d017c34af6369970b#comment-6a0177444b0c2e970d017c34af6369970b

The AWU-WRA business was Wilson's and it was only publicly uncovered when the Commonwealth Bank asked what to do with the money in it via a letter that Ian Cambridge saw after Wilson left and he had sufficient integrity to ask questions and raise the matter with the police.

Perhaps this helps explain a few things

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/02/julia-gillard-gives-legal-advice-to-bruce-wilson-after-he-is-accused-of-embezzlement.html

"Mr Gude said that when Wilson had found he had been discovered, he
sought legal advice from the union's solicitors, Slater and Gordon, and was given advice by Ms Gillard.
...the first thing she did was pay money back to the AWU . . . for work that had been completed on her own home, courtesy of Mr Bruce Wilson, to cover their tracks.''" Taken from The Courier-Mail, 13 Oct 1995.

Here's another good unionist like yourself, a former joint President of the Victorian branch who was bashed and nearly killed after he refused to keep his mouth shut about payments made by the Union for work on Gillard's house. Listen to who he names as covering up Wilson's activities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRBDILUbYQE&feature=player_embedded

Then there's this

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/11/a-letter-from-bob-kernohan-to-chris-hayes-mp-former-awu-industrial-officer-and-mate.html

The Party had to pick Rudd, he's the only one without AWU sh1t all over him. The next step for the Police will be warrants on the ALP. They've already raided the AWU in Qld, WA and Victoria.

I can't help thinking Rudd has a very long game in mind and the current job as PM is not an end, just a means. I won't go into that just now.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 30 June 2013 9:37:10 AM
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Anti no way!
Please continue to tell it as you see it.
I know you think that is right let me shed more light.
In the 3 years before two Unions became one, by the way the Iron workers virtually took over the AWU then.
My Union was dead, it never served us and I had to be Union delegate and official, long before being called to that office.
we took to infighting, I know this.
Our last AWU only head was not worthy of his job.
We today are, in every respect the AWU few but some slugs still hide in that, and any union garden.
I then now forever do not want a union to be the owner of my party, it kills us by degree.
But that maggot Wilson was disposed of very soon after the day he could have killed many.
Remember his act took place after a two lane two direction Pacific Highway had been ripped up to an depth of 300 to 400 mm, dry cement partly mixed needed hours of work right then , and we after seeing near smashes had to control traffic not work .
Such actions blacken the trade union movement and any thing you charge the bloke with most likely took place
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 30 June 2013 1:46:59 PM
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It was a great thread but as its time has come we might give some thought, in another thread to its Authors current state of mind.
I find o sung wo a gentleman, and value his contributions both here and in his life of real value.
I am a sufferer of that black dog.
Grateful I can lift myself just that little as needed.
Have in other role been able to see how widespread it is and know it is not a socio economic or class thing.
Bit wary of posting new threads,I invite others to try .
But please know it is not insanity in any way.
But too it pulls the toughest of men down.
For the same reason we die of curable disease, we think it unmanly to get help.
In the middle of that last drought young men on the land socially isolated killed them selves because mans best friend turned in to a nightmare.
o sung wo thanks for your company here and may you get much better soon mate.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 1 July 2013 7:01:27 AM
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