http://www.smh.com.au/comment/best-of-enemies-labor-relives-its-great-depression-20130624-2osrt.html
Loudmouth Joe, you speak the truth, but while so very true Labors current problem stems from Rudd,s dismissal, and those who did it.
Hasbeen maybe in your eyes that would kill his chances, do not let our personal biases take our eyes off the peoples thoughts/polling.
Back to Joe, you will as I do see the seeds of your comment in todays Labor, and in every Labor government we ever had state or federal.
Would you however be content to, forever, live under a mix of Conservative/Liberal/And Nationals who are in some cases hill billy,s and others red necks?
This government and past Federal Labor ones bought reforms,worth while ones, but not to its self.
I have no wish to taint unions, some are the best insurance a worker can buy for lifestyle income and work place safety.
Some forget , truly, servicing their members comes before propping up a person Australia has long ago rejected.
We must not let them forget *it is them not Rudd* who deliver our defeat to Abbott on a plate.
Last Joe Unions drove the better living standards we have, some took the gains but not the pain.
It always is workers and unionists who install Liberal governments.
Rudd,s axeing sets the scene for pain inflicted by our own movements, To be felt the hardest by those who support the ALP and Unions

Hasbeen you need more thought before trying to put Lexi down*Singapore is not part of Malaysia*
Some difficulty with threats of war, by Indonesia stopped it becoming so.
Joe fully agree and just fully re read your post.
Every word I write is in search and demand for New Labor.
A party that hangs its wrongs out to dry, public condemnation of our past *solidarity forever* gutless covering up for pedophiles and criminals such as NSW filth, HSU, any one taking our good name.
We still, tell our people not to waste time on past and present things like that, but charge the other side loudly when they slip up.
*IF UNIONS CAN GET NO MORE THAN 22%* to join them how can they by saying who will lead our nation and party.
13/9/13 will indeed be an unlucky day the party with the best policy,s confined to the other side of the house.
And those who put us there refusing to take the blame, gutless!

Anti, if Rudd was so connected to the people, as you suggest, he would be working for nothing, and donating his entire income to the public purse, because he doesn't need the money and, because after all, it was he who created the worst mess of all, our border invaders.

Lexi, you're ability to ignore the real facts amazes me on the one hand, yet confirms my thoughts that true labor lovers can see no wrong in their party.

You see, what you blame the libs for, is a situation that would not have occurred had Rudd not done what he had done.

I can write your script for the next three years if you like, it will go something like this.

"What a failure Mr Abbott is, he can't even get these great labor reforms up and running, like Gonski and the NDIS, despite labor's great success in passing this ground breaking legislation."

"all he ever talks about is the lack of funds thanks to the past six years of labor miss management"

Even as we speak, labor are trying to force even more legislation through the house, knowing full well they we don't have the money to fund what they have already passed.

Belly, my concerns are not for the wealthy, as corporate Australia has very low debt, but it's the government that is broke, amd it's the government that has to look after all those who don't have the means to take care of themselves. The masses.

Rehctub, do you regard yourself as "connected to the people"?

What markup do you put on your meat?

Lexi,

The hypocrisy, of your comment is breath taking. Here you are advocating that unaccompanied children be sent to Malaysia with no guarantee of safety, and are at risk of being attacked and abused.

Your posts are also bordering on the delusional. The so called "expert" panel was put in place to help reduce the strong pull factor of KRudd's on shore processing solution. Which when KRudd dismantled the pacific solution both Labor and the Greens denied existed against the advice of their own immigration department.

In 2007 there had been 5 years with only about one or two boats arriving a year with an average of less than 100 illegals, and only 4 people in detention. Now we have more than this every day, with about 800 people arriving a week (which would kill the Malaysian solution).

This border control problem was entirely of Labor's making, and trying to shift blame because Juliar couldn't get her coalition partners to back her shonky scheme is farcical.

I watched "Q and A," last night and it
simply confirmed for me that the only
reason Mr Abbott has not yet been kicked
out as the leader of the Opposition is
due to the fact of the media concocting
stories about the Gillard government and
fabricating quotes attributed to anonymous
sources. Anyone of any intelligence can see
through that. And is simply not buying it.

The Opposition has tried whichever way it can
to get rid of Gillard. They haven't succeeded.
And their latest charade of "We'll tow the boats
back," is an interesting one.

"Q and A," will be filmed from Jakarta next
Thursday evening (9.30pm) with an Indonesian
and Australian audience. It should make for
interesting viewing.

In the meantime Shadow Minister you can keep
on with your usual rhetoric. You have nothing
else on offer. And I'm not interested in it.