Dear onthebeach,

I usually try to engage in each new thread in an even-handed manner.

I put up with “Your allegation is a fabrication, completely baseless and devoid of fact.”

I tapped the 'mendacious' comment back over the net without escalating things but then you kicked on with “Obviously you just make things up as you go, hoping that no-one will as the obvious questions.”

And now you want to leap on to your high horse and whinge about my so called “ verballing and ad hominens”.

Get real. Show me where I have verballed you.

I post a link to a news article about criminal gangs targeting farmers for their weapons and you come back and basically finger the police. Remember - “the very gun registration that is supposed to prevent crime is the likely source of information for thefts. Any cop can access that data on all owners, what is held and where, and without leaving a trace of his query.”

When challenged you link to a story about an employee (not it seems an actual policeman) working in a police armoury who has allegedly stolen some weapons. There is no suggestion that he had open access to the entire police database at all.

Your attacks on the police are scurrulous and without foundation and while any right minded individual would see fit to withdraw them you have instead seen fit not to do the opposite. I leave others here to draw their own conclusions.

Dear RawMustard,

Sorry mate I missed your question.

Quote;

“Interesting you should mention the Israelis, csteele.
http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investigation-boston-009/

Why? “

End quote.

Well if you had bothered to read the article you would have seen the answer.

“The paper reports that Israeli law enforcement planned the trip before the deadly pair of bombings on Monday that has so far claimed three lives”

This is just coming through my media feeds.

It is making it difficult to get any work done.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/sunil-tripathi-video-missing-ivy-league-student-case-18845408

http://i.imgur.com/3Bh7rkc.gif

Looks like they have names and possibly the suspects in custody.

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Essentially, my quarrel with Dr Savage is simply this. I believe Dr Savage, as a public 'entertainer' has acted quite recklessly and injudiciously, by publicly, almost challenging the government to try and take away his firearms. All the while asserting both his moral and legal right to possess and use those firearms pursuant to the provisions of the 2nd Amendment.

I don't know about the US, but here in Oz, it may well amount to a criminal offence ? To 'incite' a person to commit an unlawful act, in itself, could be argued as a inchoate offence to that of 'sedition' ?
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No doubt constitutionalists love to exercise their rights fully and with conviction. You can witness the resolve of such American Patriots all over the net everyday. This would fall under their first Amendment right to free speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_ammendment
see the section titled "Speech critical of the government"

It would appear their Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 are unconstitutional so therefore he was doing no wrong. But then IANAL!

I think what needs to be understood here is that most people in his current government fail to understand what "shall not be infringed" really means. Americans are getting sick and tired of being trodden on by OBomber. I can fully understand the level of frustration that must be running through their veins at the moment, o sung wu. Not indifferent to many Aussies totally pissed with that wicked, witch of the west.

Should he not have the right to challenge a deaf government when they are clearly trying to destroy his constitutionally granted and god given liberties? I mean what part of "shall not be infringed" don't they get?

csteele,

I have drawn attention to systemic problems affecting the confidentiality the firearms registries and firearms licences (all States and Territories being mirror images in procedure and policy), and given examples. No-one has dispelled those facts and examples.

Police do not want to waste their time polishing chairs watching over the shoulders of people who are of such good character to obtain firearms licences. They would much prefer to be out collaring the bad guys. Instead, hundreds of staff of firearms branches and of police in stations are wasted a week maintaining white elephant gun registries that have yet to solve a crime and most likely never will. -Because criminals do not obtain licences, they do not register their guns and they do not buy them from lawful suppliers. Elementary.

The whole bureaucratic, paper shuffling sham is an edifice to populist politics and a consequence of governments being unwilling to staff and train police adequately, and of the failure of policies of both sides of government to address drugs and violence.

Returning once again to the subject of the OP, none of the investigations underway in the US have unearthed any motivation, cause or offender.

Good evening to you RAWMUSTARD...

My opinion and observation of what particular activities Dr Savage was engaged were not a test of any technical infringements that the good Doctor may or may not have committed, apropos anything contained in United States Criminal Jurisprudence.

What in fact I did contemplate and ruminate upon was. If Dr Savage were to engaged in similar conduct, here in NSW, or in any other State or Territory in the Commonwealth, what legal remedies might be available for the DPP to pursue a successful prosecution ?

To your other comments - I too share your concerns and exasperations at the way governments are continually seeking additional strategies and mechanisms to further regulate and manage every minute of every day of our lives ! This continual intrusion by government does smack of 'Big Brother', and the word 'privacy' has almost vanished.

Many thanks for your contribution, I do appreciate it.

Good evening to you CSTEELE & ONTHEBEACH...

ONTHEBEACH, your novel description of Dr Savage being a 'serial pest', may well be correct. Serial Pest or not, he still could prove a dangerous, inflammatory, and even seditious 'Serial Pest', nevertheless ?

CSTEELE, the varying opinion's expressed herein, on the subject of the overall integrity of the protected, police EDP systems, is in reality quite complex ?

Certainly, assertions by ONTHEBEACH that the protected EDP system(s) have been compromised from time to time is quite true. Command are very conscience of maintaining and preserving the overall integrity of the systems, therefore members from recruits to the top are being reminded continually, about following correct protocol and ensuring security is preserved at all times.

That said, all sworn and unsworn members do have access to various programmes, from a limited or basic access, to a much higher access. Depending on the member's functions and 'need to know'.

Believe it or not, rank itself, doesn't determine the level of access, and plays little part of being granted authorisation. There are/were public servants who enjoy almost unfettered access to criminal intelligence. Some, much higher than sworn members.

In fact, so serious was Command's attitude to unfettered, unnecessary, and unauthorised access to Protected Data, it became a topic for discussion at the Police Commissioner's Annual Conference a few years back. The unforgivable sin is, the unauthorised disclosure of protected material ! Command are very savage on that ?

That said, coppers are (surprisingly) human. With all the strengths and weaknesses that come from being human. So, as Mr Forest Gump so quaintly put it, 's..t happens' ? So does corruption, so does sloppy work, lack of professionalism, etc. etc. ? Despite police data systems being closely monitored, things do happen, and it does 'hit the fan' big time.