I am not a Jew but I think we need to look at the Israeli system. Everybody does national service. Everybody gets educated and everybody gets social and strategic discipline. Everybody wins in the long run.
I don't necessarily agree with their expansionist aims or their methodology but I do understand it.

Dear Chris,

<<I am not a Jew but I think we need to look at the Israeli system. Everybody does national service. Everybody gets educated and everybody gets social and strategic discipline. Everybody wins in the long run.>>

A reality check:

Good, educated, clean, disciplined and tender 18 y.o. boys from good homes in the good end of town, straight out of high-school, instead of proceeding to university while their studies are still fresh, with every prospect of highly-professional employment, are forced to live like sheep among wolves in the same tent among ruffian criminals whom other than in the army they would have never met, exposed to all despicable behaviours of night-mare material. Unable to cry and call Mom and Dad for help, following 3 years of terror and bullying with no escape, they are traumatised and scarred for life.

You should thank God, Chris, your good fortune or both, that you are not a Jew living in Israel.

Yuyutsu, what an indictment of their Arab neighbours, that the Israelis have to live that way.

I am quite sure they would not live that way if they did not have the people of a failed vicious civilisation, trying to push them into the ocean, as neighbours.

instead of proceeding to university while their studies are still fresh,
Yuyutsu,
that's just so wrong a mentality. Studies are always fresh, what goes stale is mentality. time spent among others in an unfamiliar environment is what brings experience, builds character thus a healthy mentality & strengthens the learning process. To be confined to the compounds of Universities is exactly what's causing the retarding of education & mentality that is now a huge problem in society. It inhibits social development & fosters conformism. With that kind of mentality you get the society we have now. The only thing that's holding us still together is a handful of sane thinkers but once they become thinner on the ground & the brainless get desperate anarchy will take over.

Dear Individual,

<<Studies are always fresh>>

Sciences, when not touched for 3 years, are to a large degree forgotten, but this was the least of the points I made. Society could be losing doctors, scientists and engineers, but that's not the main point.

What I wrote essentially, is that taking innocent children (and we're not even talking about dole-bludgers, drug-and-alcohol users and other delinquents, not that I believe that even they deserve such horrors), whose sole "crime" was to be born where they were and turn 18 in reasonable health, and forcing them for 3 years into jail-like conditions, beleaguered by the worst scum of society, including sadistic criminals, as the "mates" they must share all with as well as their direct commanders, in a pressure-system deliberately designed to break their spirits (so to turn them into "soldiers" who would obey any order without hesitation), is not something we should ever accept.

A country or a nation that does that, EVEN IF IT WAS JUSTIFIED IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT, HASBEEN, does not deserve to exist on the face of this earth!

If you think that those children are going to 'toughen' and get a 'character', well they probably will, but not the kind of character you welcome. Do you think they will just happily and loyally serve the society that betrayed and tormented them? No, they will surely and rightly-so grow either into criminals, terrorists and saboteurs or mental patients.

<<To be confined to the compounds of Universities is exactly what's causing the retarding of education & mentality>>

We are talking about kids who did not yet even have a chance to go to university to begin with!

With such Spartan attitudes, one could just as well justify the hunting-down of young Africans, 'for their own good' chaining them to boats so that those who survive the Atlantic-trip are of tougher character, so that their descendents after generations in the cotton-fields may one day invent Jazz, Blues and Rap.

Yuyutsu, you really should post this stuff in the toilet, because that is where it belongs.

Have you ever had anything to do with the armed services? I very much doubt it, as you have no idea of what it is like.

The stuff your talking about died out about the same time the dinosaurs did, or not long after, if it actually ever existed. I've read stuff similar to what you are pushing, but it was written by historians, so probably just so much CR4P, like yours.

I was going to try to explain the facts of life to you, but I won't waste my time. Go peddle your venom elsewhere.