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The Choice

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but I'll never impose guidance on those who never sought it from me in the first place.
Yuyutsu,
Guidance is akin with discipline, if it is not sought it has to be offered & if still not accepted it has to be enforced.
Unless someone has that discipline they should not be allowed to impose upon others & demand help.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 31 March 2013 5:22:53 PM
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Dear Individual,

<<Guidance is akin with discipline, if it is not sought it has to be offered & if still not accepted it has to be enforced.>>

By one's Father and Mother, them alone - and those whom they voluntarily assign as teachers!

Government is neither, as it was proclaimed: "Stalin is our Father, Russia is our Mother, may we all be orphans"!

<<Unless someone has that discipline they should not be allowed to impose upon others & demand help.>>

I fully agree. Nobody (including even disciplined people) should be allowed to impose themselves on others.

Yes, they have no right to demand help. Nevertheless, I offer my help to them willingly and happily (besides, it also happens to be in my own interest to do so).
Also, besides help, which cannot be demanded, there remains the issue of compensation that I mentioned above (on Monday, 25 March 2013 10:51:59 AM).
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 March 2013 6:34:34 PM
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breaking their spirits and turning them into broken vessels and nut cases.
Yuyutsu,
You got this one back to front also. What do you suggest should be done to get everyone to pull their own weight If they are physically & mentally capable ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 31 March 2013 8:33:50 PM
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Dear Individual,

<<What do you suggest should be done to get everyone to pull their own weight If they are physically & mentally capable?>>

Nothing, for the following reasons:

1) I do not believe that "the end justifies the means". Coercing or threatening others is just not right. Even if that goal of everyone pulling their weight be achieved, it would be at the higher price of acting violently.

2) I believe that there are other ways to serve society than to earn money and participate in the formal economy.

3) As yourself replied to Tony (on Friday, 29 March 2013 10:13:42 AM), those who are forced to work do such a bad job that their employer would even pay them just to keep out.

4) Willing to live frugally, wasting less resources, is a great alternative contribution to society.

5) Compared with "public servants" who receive a salary-package 10 times as much, plus their office-expenses and the resources wasted on commuting, welfare-payments are a drop in the ocean.

6) When there is a desperate pressure to get everyone working, arise such jobs that are harmful or unethical. Better do nothing than do harm. When working is optional, conscientious unemployed are able to shun such jobs.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 31 March 2013 10:34:44 PM
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yuyutsu,
that's all fine but you're still evading the main gist of the questions. How to deal with those who keep bludging ?
Posted by individual, Monday, 1 April 2013 8:57:22 AM
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Individual:

I think that we are flogging a dead horse trying to get some sort of sensible direction out of Yuyutsu!

I have offered my opinion and direction, but I think that when we have a "Misogynist" Government in place after the 14th September Election, we may just see some well-deserved changes put in place, resulting in many of the layabouts being forced to get a job , or alternatively be cut off benefits.

We do NOT want to end up in the sad state that the UK is in now, with its massive unemployment and out of control invasion of immigrants!
Posted by Crackcup, Monday, 1 April 2013 9:27:06 AM
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