Dear Hasbeen,

Sorry, I was not aware that St. Vincent de Paul and Anglicare are heavily supported by tax payer funds. Lets then just assume that I found some other charity that was not.

<<You are well aware that Crackcup is complaining about the too easy access to taxpayer funded welfare.>>

Why should I? It's the first time I come across him/her on this forum, so let's hear his/her answer directly first.

Dear Individual,

1. <<None if you don't claim it in your tax return.>>
2. <<You think I enjoy going to work so that I can pay tax ?>>

Now isn't this a contradiction? On the one hand you don't like to work for paying tax, while on the other you want me to do the same!

<<You say people living with & off their parents ? get real ! Those parents can't fill out the tax deduction forms quick enough.>>

That possibility has not even crossed my mind - What if they don't? What if the parents are wealthy who like Hasbeen live off the bank? or what if they grow their own vegetables (and the young ones may be helping too)? or what if they live in a community or an extended family where they don't bother using money in the first place?

I think you both miss my point: all I was trying to find out is whether Crackcup is advocating slavery, whether s/he believes that everyone MUST work and MUST do it for money.

No Yuyutsu, just not hold their hands out for taxpayer money. I am a great believer in people doing their own thing, in their own way, provided they pay their own way.

RawMustard the defense forces are advertising for trainees in lots of trades. Most of their qualifications are now recognised in civvy street, so much better training than it used to be.

If those kids really want a trade, can't find a place in civvy street, & can handle a bit of discipline, tell them to have a look at it.

It is not all that easy to get in, they aren't after cannon fodder, like the old days. They will need good school results & be reasonably physically fit.

Not all defense force trades involve getting blown up in Afghanistan.

Yuyutsu,
we're not missing the point because you don't make a point to miss in the first place. You are a perfect example of why our society is the way it is. If I had my way you would not be let anywhere near a polling booth for a long time yet.
RawMustard mentions companies that go under & leave people without a job. Yes, because it becomes too much for some companies to remain viable after paying so much tax to keep those who don't want to work & support an insane Public Service.
The real issue is that everyone wants good money for nothing in return.

What a joke of a post.

Firstly the premise that there are millions of young people out there "choosing" to bludge their way through life without a care in the world is a straight up lie. You hear that? A LIE. Yes I am calling you and anyone who repeats the falsehood a liar. Since we all know how horrendous it is to lie these days dont we? Anyone can avail themselves of the relevant statistics and if they did so they would find that the vast majority of young people are working or studying.

Oh and Centrelink with their pointless monkey tricks and "work for the dole" rock painting schemes or even worse virtual indentured slavery for some supposedly non profit entity are hardly a picnic for those who need to rely on government support. More like punishment for being poor. Anyone "choosing" that would have to be pitied and suspected of being unwell mentally.

What about the handouts (much more than the dole) given to those with private health insurance, first home buyers, private schooling, private childcare (soon to include nannies), businesses like the car industry and mining?

It is only ever the poorest and the most vulnerable that you attack. What cowardliness. How about you direct your spite and bile towards some of the real culprits behind our moral and fiscal decline. The bankers, the neocons, the media and the politicians that fawn over them? People who really did "choose" what actions thaey were going to take and without the slightest thought for the harm they would do.

Yuyutsu, Mikk,(what "strange" pseudonyms):
I suspect from your names that you could possibly be two of the many "financial opportunists" that have "invaded" this country in recent times?

As I said in my subject post,...wait for the "do gooders and bleeding hearts " to jump up,...they are usually the ones who are the targeted offenders, milking the system to the max, and trying to make everyone else feel guilty by objecting to them.

For you two literally challenged objectors, I will repeat the gist of my opening statement,..any able-bodied young person who is NOT prepared to work and is prepared to bludge his or her way through life, should NOT receive a handout from the Taxpayers!...NO WORK, NO PAY!...got it?

"Anyone can avail themselves of the statistics"...read the original paragraph again,..."It would be interesting to see in print an HONEST account of exactly how many people are unemployed and receiving taxpayer funded "relief", rather than persuing the opportunity to work for a living"....there are statistics and statistics, but for the sake of expediency, most statistics are conveniently "manipulated" to suit the government of the day`s financial agenda.

Maybe we should start posting our threads in picture form, so that the intellectually challenged can understand the actual simplicity of our posts?

>>any able-bodied young person who is NOT prepared to work and is prepared to bludge his or her way through life, should NOT receive a handout from the Taxpayers!...NO WORK, NO PAY!...got it?<<

You'll be pleased to know that this system is already in place: Centrelink make dole bludgers fill out so many forms and jump through so many pointless hoops that getting the dole is harder work than working. If they don't perform their tasks they don't get paid.

Most deadbeats and bludgers have just enough common sense to realise that it's easier to just get a job and will be found in crappy dead-end jobs all over the country. Go to a servo in the small hours of the morning: the dull-eyed, dull-witted pimply youth behind the counter is your pot smoking bludger. He sleeps half the day, has a low income and doesn't really contribute anything of value to society but he is working. Just not very hard. If he was not working he'd actually have to work harder to earn an income and it isn't hard to see why he'd want to avoid doing that. Hence he works.

Cheers,

Tony