Hey Loudmouth. Wanna buy a goat? 'Ol steely might have one for ya. ;-)

Hmmm... Loudmouth, I'm a bit worried about the Gekko's myself. Maybe they could find a nice North Queensland Gekko. We call 'em Salties. I'd like to see that. ;-)

Anyway I found this on the BBC.

1) BBC, Friday, 24 February 2006:

A Sudanese man has been forced to take a goat as his "wife", after he was caught having sex with the animal. The goat's owner, Mr. Alifi, said he surprised the man with his goat and took him to a council of elders.

They ordered the man, Mr. Tombe, to pay a dowry of 15,000 Sudanese dinars ($50) to Mr. Alifi.

"We have given him the goat, and as far as we know they are still together," Mr. Alifi said.

Mr. Alifi, of Hai Malakal in Upper Nile State, told the Juba Post newspaper that he heard a loud noise around midnight on 13 February and immediately rushed outside to find Mr. Tombe with his goat.

"When I asked him: 'What are you doing there?’? He fell off the back of the goat, so I captured and tied him up."

Mr Alifi then called elders to decide how to deal with the case.

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife," Mr. Alifi told the newspaper.

2) March 15, 2010:

Gulf News reports that a guard has been arrested for having sex with the animals he was guarding on a farm. Muslim readers writing in to comment in the newspaper want to know if the animals are still fit for eating.

Now that's worrying. Ask csteel if it's OK with him.

No, sorry, Jayb, I don't like my goats pre-contaminated.

Now chickens ........ that's another story.

Joe

Silly me...I was bored so decided to peruse the last three pages....what a grotty little thread.

rehctub, started a thread wondering why some have stopped posting.

We need look no further when the standard is thus.

Poirot: Silly me...I was bored so decided to peruse the last three pages....what a grotty little thread.

So I take it dear poirot that you are happy to have your children taught the quran? Yes? naturally you have checked out the links. Or maybe you haven't because you are afraid of what you will find. Or you have checked them out & you feel that they are all fine. Yes?

Aaah! Loudmouth, country boys do have some things to teach city boys eh. Snotty noses & rough tongued calves etc, Me, I'm not keen on the feather or chickens. I find ducks have softer feet & their bill is much smoother than a sharp beak. ;-) Said down a few octaves.

Poirot,

Yes, it does all get a bit sordid, doesn't it ? And so easy to mock.

But this - if it is genuine - is far more serious:

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

"It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her."

"A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift."

To treat women, young girls, babies, as if they are sub-human, merely objects for male pleasure, then this - if it is genuinely what the ayatollahs believe - is uncivilized, surely ? In what conceivable way can we, in a civilized society, learn anything positive from this ? Should we incorporate some of it into our 'culture', as I suspect some on the half-wit Left would recommend ?

It's so easy to be uncivilized: Primo Levi explores this in his concept of 'the Pannwitz look', which, if we thought about it, most of us would have experienced: that look that says 'You shouldn't exist, you are not of us, you should be exterminated, gone, out of my sight.'

Let's get something straight: treating people as sub-human is indefensible. Ideologies which have such attitudes built-in do not deserve our respect, or sympathy, or anything but our contempt.

There is nothing admirable in treating women as property, or things to be used as farm-boys might treat goats or donkeys or chickens.

Now, Poirot, do your wounded goose act - divert that :)

Cheers,

Joe