God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global village of one family. Creation by its very nature is diverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is supposed to be well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages, to be part of the British society, as well as proud of his/her cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of his/her literature and poetry.

During colonial days, British did not follow local customs or culture. They didn't exactly "go native". They even forced the native Americans and native Australian to adopt all the evils of their culture and customs. They are still the underdogs of American and Australian societies. At least Australian Prime Minister apologised to the natives for their evil deeds. A study claims that Black and Asian pupils are being held back in the classroom because schools are "intuitionally racist". Now a race relations campaigner has called for the creation of "black schools"to stem the avalanche of educational failure and descent into violent gang culture. It is high time that the black community runs its own schools with black teachers and black governors.

Let the minority communities educate their own children and you better educate your children for the well being of the British society.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.Uk

Hi Iftikhar,

Perhaps we could modify what you say -

" ..... society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others .... "

to

" .......society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others in the context of equal rights for all and observance of the rule of secular law, for all."

And no, NOT like in a family - families are ceetainly necessary of course, but notoriously inegalitarian. One could even suggest that much of the development of notions of the rule of law and equality of rights has had to take place against the determined resistance of 'the family'.

Congratulations, by the way - it seems that women in Saudi Arabia are now allowed to ride push-bikes. Not for transport, but for recreation, in parks etc., and chaperoned by a male relative.

So after 1400 years, women are now allowed - under strict conditions - to ride push-bikes, in a land totally dominated by the religion of peace.

So how much longer before women get equal rights, Iftikhar ? Poirot ? Lexi ?

Bring on the Revolution. Which side will you be on ?

Joe

Loudmouth may I add my name to you post on page 23. You got it just right. Thank you.

Oh, Iffie, as the prophet Jesus said, "You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the speck out of your brother's eye." & "People in glass houses should never throw stones."

Loudmouth has given you a fine example of the equality of Islam in Saudi Arabia but it's not just Saudi Arabia. Pakistan is another fine example. Think of young Marla with a bullet in the head for wanting to have an equal education. When I was in London in 98 there was a young girl with a baby in a pram around Marble Arch. You probably know her. She was an outcast beggar from your society because she had the baby with a white boy. No compassion there.

Iffie: "British did not follow local customs or culture."
Yes you are right. I even experienced in the 60's when I was forbidden to lower myself by mixing with the locals by my CO. He was a notorious Bigot & Snob who was not liked by his troops. What you are talking about happened in the 19th. & early 20th. Centuries. It's doesn't happen very much nowadays. The west has moved on from it's Colonial days.

Is it a, "get even on whitie thing" that you want to conquer Britain & remove the British.

You haven't answered any of my questions. Is there a reason Muslims stay in Britain if the Culture is so abhorrent to them?

I am athiest/agnostic.

I would think it would be appropriate that all religions be discussed as a topic in schools, as part of social studies and history. Note, discussed, not taught, or indoctrinated. Simply discussed.

Information is power. Let us make our children powerful.

JayB and Loudmouth,
Firstly congrats for posting the interesting dialogue, I notice the author has not commented further on the points you have made, but simply went on to post other views.

Now, I have often wondered why muslims immigrate to western countries where they find the society so at odds with their culture and beliefs.
The only explanation I can come up with is that they see themselves as 'pioneers for Islam'. They put up with all the differences simply to further the interests and expansion of Islam.

I would be interested to hear your views as to why so many muslims immigrate to western countries

Banjo: I would be interested to hear your views as to why so many muslims immigrate to western countries.

Banjo when I went to the Boat race in WA many years ago the people we were camping beside came from a town on the WA coast. the Ayatolla Khomeini made a speech there to the local Muslim Population saying that they should get as many of their families & relatives to Australia because, even though it was Christian most people didn't go to church & we were a religious desert & therefore ripe for conversion.

There-in lies the reason why Muslims immigrate to Western Countries. Primarily to convert the World to Islam by stealth.

I think that piorot may have finally realized what is happening. She has ignored us & our reasoning, but now she is confronted with the likes of Iftikhar & their agenda for the you & I & her.

Iffie, how do you respond to the following posts, do you sympathize with their objectives?

The killing of infidels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGcgVSvgp6I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTF7lThJNr8

Take over the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTAwj2xZoc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0

Take over Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7eQyrDt-U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHt94EGrac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsiKVc028I0

Promoting Paedophilia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRlsMRomtI

The subjugation of women. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPSN_92v2w

Lying & deceit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKs7oi_-NUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlvS2a2AVE