Lexi,

So who is 'attacking' Poirot ? Is asking someone to return to the issues 'attacking' them now ?

And what on earth is racist about sticking up for Muslim women ? Oops, sorry, is that an 'attack' on you or Poirot ?

In Islam, women have half the rights to inherit as their brothers have.

In Islam, a man can divorce a woman by simply saying so three times. Can a woman do that ?

In Islam, if a man divorces his wife while she is still nursing their child, she may remain in the house (his, of course) until the child is weaned, then she goes and the child stays (his, of course).

In Islam, according to the learned scholars, a man can beat his wife, as long as the marks are not visible, i.e. if she wears a complete covering.

And according to the Ayatollah Khomeini, ..... well, you can read all of that, above.

So where is the racism in any of that ?

What appals me about both you and Poirot is your willingness to abandon your sisters - and for what, and why ? Because 'all cultures are equal', even cultural practices which treat women, yes, as meat, as property, as non-human ?

With respect, Lexi, what you write is beneath you.

Joe

Yeah, Lexi.....apparently we misread the intentions of Loudmouth et al in these threads.

While on the surface it looks like he and Jayb are getting their jollies from indulging in their monthly bigot-fest, apparently the reality is that they're defending Muslim women...

(you can tell that from the way they were discussing goats, chickens and ducks:)

And if their attitude is challenged, they whip out their trusty "you're abandoning Muslim women" routine.

Ho hum.....

Back to the issues please, Poirot:

: should multicultural education encompass - in the name of culture - the suppression of women's rights?

Should the curriculum in schools in any way assert that women's rights - couched in whatever terms you like - should be subordinated to the constraints of their "cultures" ?

Should -specifically women's rights, "within their cultures", be subordinated to their human rights ?

- in Australia, we're talking about, but if you want to extend women's rights to other countries and societies, that's fine with me.

I apologise in advance if this is interpreted as, in any way, an attack on you or Lexi, or indeed, on tntire half-wift Left - it's been a long night.

Dear Lexi,

I'm afraid I am going to have to shoulder a large part of the blame for the state of the thread.

While I wouldn't necessarily call it sport I do find it diverting to wind up some of the playthings then leave them to their own devices. Jayb is a favourite but add Loudmouth in the mix and we have the equivalent of tin toy soldiers 'clacking' and flailing around sounding a call to arms of the other. I fear I may well be a bad influence on Poirot who can seem to resist a turn or two of the keys.

I promise to try and be more judicious in the future.

Lexi: Sharia law in this country is illegal. We do have laws that protect our way of life and people who break those laws will be punished, no matter who they are.

Aren't you bloody lucky Lexi.

Lexi: I would have thought that expressions of racism in Australian popular culture has changed over time.

Who mentioned anything about race, Lexi. No one here has. We have spoken about one particular religion & Middle Eastern Customs, that's not racist. You are pushing that one.

Lexi: Only people of small calibre rant and believe that they have the truth, and others don't.

We have presented an "against" argument in good faith in a debate on why such a subversive, pornographic & racist book as the quran is, should be taught to Australian school children. The proponents have not presented any argument in this debate as to why it should be taught to Australian children. Csteel, poirot & yourself have not even defended the book but you have attacked the "against" side with all sort of divertive gobbledegook.

Do you agree with teaching the quran to Australian school children?

Maybe we should agree with you. Maybe women ARE subhuman just as you seem to suggest. Maybe Australia should go back to the when women were kept in check by the men & Laws of this country. It seems that you agree to waive your hard won rights & agree with returning to the past to live a life under the yoke, as taught in the quran & insisted upon by the Islamic clerics throughout the World. I gather csteel & poirot would certainly like to see that happen. They have said as much by their repeated silence on the matter.

Csteel: I promise to try and be more judicious in the future.

“Judicious” (Having or proceeding from good judgement.) I’d like to see that. It would be nice if you would just debate the subject like a normal person & not divert the questions as advised by your Islamic mentors. Or, is really what you mean, “Proceeding FROM good judgement. Aah HA!

Dear Jayb,

As long as you continue to make sweeping statements
and generalisations - there's no discussion to be
had