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The Indigenous, Juvenile Justice System - A success or failure ?

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sonofgloin,
apparently some switched on student at Griffith University wrote that.

'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of $hit by the clean end.'
Posted by individual, Saturday, 12 January 2013 6:59:31 PM
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Hi there INDIVIDUAL...

Firstly I like that quote from the Uni Student, apropos Political Correctness, a beauty !

All of my working life I would've agreed with you, about tougher custodial sentences. We're both mature enough to accept, the word 'tough' when it comes to a lawfully imposed custodial sentence, as a punishment, has all but been 'struck out' from the pages of our Law Lexicon's and legal definations !

I don't believe, in yours or my life time, will we ever again witness such punishment, that could ever again be equated to that of being 'tough'.

That aside, in the last vestiges of my years at work, I began to realize that when it comes to indigenous youth, Gaol should NOT be considered as an appropriate punishment other than for serious offences only. Gaol is what's welcomed by black youth, for all the reasons I've identified earlier on in this topic. The thought of being sent to 'boob', on one of the Long Bay '4 wheels' trucks, is a dream come true.

The term, '4 wheels' is an old 'in house' saying used by police tasked with prisoner transport (aka, 'police habeas') from gaol to court, and back to gaol again in the afternoon.

My intractable opinion on this issue, only extends to that of 'black youth'. Definately NOT 'white youth', under most circumstances !

INDIVIDUAL I do hope I've made my position a little more clearer for you my friend ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 12 January 2013 10:04:43 PM
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o sung wu,
I'd think you agree when I say that perhaps "tough" should be replaced by the term fair to the victim when it comes to retribution.
If damage is caused that causes a victim to literally have to abandon all plans just so that the victim can continue working in an area then retribution should be severe. In this day & age where work for older people is impossible to find I find it appalling to the utmost degree that Magistrates only put these young crims on probation with absolutely no mention of compensation.
Why aren't their custodians made liable ? I know I would be if my white kid did what a black kid did to me. I will now think of Magistrates as nothing more than perverse parasites..
Posted by individual, Saturday, 12 January 2013 10:46:11 PM
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individual>> 'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of $hit by the clean end.'<<

Indi, it is the engineering of facts to maintain an outcome that gets to me re academia, fooling themselves and all about them.

I am an alien mind in my household. I have told you about my eldest daughter, well my bride is a secondary school educator and I had to stop attending social events with her colleagues because they, for the most part, are intellectual free loaders, they got their credentials then let the system do the thinking for them.

I example this by just one of the arguments that saw me banished from these gatherings. For years I argued that education by “rote” was the most effective means of saturation regarding the basics skills….reading writing and arithmetic. The teachers argued that the rote method was passé and did not give the kids the latitude to “learn and understand for themselves” as one dill recently said to me.

A few weeks ago a global literacy survey found Australian kids were the most poorly educated in the English speaking world…..we came dead last. These deluded educators have ruined a generation of young Aussies. Our kids are only fit to serve burgers at McDonalds….but that is about the only job open top them. We had more kids doing uni courses that involved higher math in the 1970’s than at present. Our population had grown by a third and the number of kids doing the important subjects dropped by half....

Australia the clever country is as dead as Australia the lucky country, and we have our brightest to thank for it.
Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 13 January 2013 9:46:17 AM
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sonofgloin,
I find it difficult in the extreme to query a single word in your post. It is actually frightening that those people are in positions of power. The only consolation is that as sure as anything they'll succumb to their own stupidity but sadly, taking everyone down with them.
Re the Juvenile Justice System, If I make a bad decision be it through ignorance or even being conned I'm expected to cop whatever comes my way. However, if a juvenile particularly an indigenous one does something wrong then it is up to the victim to prove his innocence not the offender.
He gets legal assistance paid for by us tax payers & the victim can't even demand for the Police to investigate properly. I think we need to make Law & Order in Australia a priority leading up to the next federal election. Let's ask the parties to put their policies on the table.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 13 January 2013 10:30:07 AM
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I recall something that left a tremendous
impression on me - an unforgettable incident that was
described in a book I read in the early 90s. It was an
incident which the author recalled which took place
on Palm Island, a large Aboriginal settlement about 40
kilometres off shore from Townsville. It goes as follows:

"The prison was a small concrete building, bare and
featureless. It stood on its own, surrounded by open
ground. I could have been a fort or a blockhouse."

"Can we see inside?" we asked the Superintendent who was
conducting us on a tour of Palm Island."

"He turned to his right, unlocked the door and threw it
open. The walls were bare, with light coming in from a barred
window. The glass on the inside of the bars had been broken
and shards of it were scattered on the floor. There was a
plastic bucket in the far right-hand corner. Along the wall
facing the window was an old dirty mattress flat on the
concrete floor."

"Sitting on the mattress were two small girls. One may
have been about thirteen, the other smaller and perhaps
younger. They were dressed in ill-fitting print dresses
several sizes too large for them."

"The Superindent told them to stand up. They looked agast
at being seen in such a situation by visiting migloos, or
whitefellas. The bigger of the two girls had one hand
and lower arm bandaged. Blood had seeped through and spread
on the surface of the bandage. The Superindent explained
that she had a short time before smashed the window
with her fist."

"Why are they here?" we asked. The Superindent explained
that they had sworn at their teacher. They were spending the
day in prison as a consequence."

Reading that story was so unexpected. There was such a
disparity between the offence and the punishment,
between the locks, reinforced door, bars, and thick
concrete walls that were described, and the little thin
girls. It was so grossly disproportionate. What could the
teacher have been thinking of?

I certainly hope that things have changed over time.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 13 January 2013 12:35:21 PM
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