The present reports in The Courier Mail about interracial violence are apropos to the discussion here. See here,

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/logan-tensions-on-the-rise-after-cars-damaged-in-alleged-racial-attack/story-e6freoof-1226553910948

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/elders-demand-woodridge-brawlers-be-deported/story-fn8m0u8i-1226553567028

Who is to blame again? What about the exasperation expressed by the Mayor, Pam Parker? She should know her oats, she was re-elected unopposed. Is she wrong and if so why? Because the softly softly approach will continue to be used but it obviously has limitations.

Shouldn't authorities, police and judges, be able to exercise judgement and discretion? Why should one group be rewarded with softer traetment anyhow? A thug is a thug. SE Qld was never known for violence and mobs. What has changed and what to do about it?

One size does not fit all and many of these violent thugs are repeat offenders who enjoy hurting others. Go to work? Not likely!

Why not change a few regulations right now & make army soldiers Police deputies in situations like this. Don't give me any cries of Police State, discrimination etc. If there are not enough Police to deal with these rectums then enlist the assistance of soldiers. All they need to do is pace the streets & anyone seen doing the wrong thing gets taken to an army camp to work until they've paid back the damage they caused. And, you civil libertarian morons pay up or shut your gob ! It's entirely due to you that the show is going off the rails. Move over, let intelligent thinkers run the circus. You be the clowns from now on.

Lexi thanks I agree.
And as for Indy I have not seen him post so much common sense for a long while indy good contributions well done.
You asked a question, let me answer it.
My mentioned nephew, white trash then and still, has given o sung wo ex work mates constant work all his life.
He opened my eyes to this truth, prison some times does not work.
So here are my views.
We plan to fail, failure to us, the folk we say we are helping, and humanity.
From out side Australia,others brand us, for others failures.
What part of protecting the rights of first nation Australians say we pay sit down money?
Why pay any one to sit down.
Welfare can mean just that, the very welfare of a nation of people.
So start with true valued folk like Noel Pearson.
Many such exist, set up youth reform centers far from home, a place to work and after costs be paid in the bank, train for jobs.
The jobs need to be real and the work out comes no free rides.
A whole system of reward for effort, for every one, will help.
But most importantly.
* get rid of the do gooders*
Stop the you can not touch me I am Aboriginal stuff, it exists.
I think until we do give tough demanding but helping every step of the way love we are as much to blame as any one.
A job, not a hand out, should be every ones target.

Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

What a sorry sight ! Racial violence is a crime that's about as tough to handle as it gets. Except perhaps domestic violence (my opinion only).

There are many convoluted and impenetrable agendas abounding here:-

(a) - Issues of 'Race' are always political dynamite. For Federal, State and Local governments, collectively !

(b) - Another REAL issue here - the Courts and their 'delicate' and 'precious' handling of these types of cases. Sadly, most Magistrates, Judges and Justices, are both nervous even intimidated, by being seen to bring down 'tough' judgements and subsequent penalties, in matters of Racial Violence. They're concerned about the political repercussions of tougher sentencing, particularly involving coloured offenders in their Courts. 'Judicial promotion' is always in the back of their minds ? Naturally they'd of course, strongly deny it.

(c) - Now down to the bottom rung, the poor ol' coppers. ALWAYS the meat in the sandwhich. The old story, use too much force to effect an arrest ? Well off to Court they go, facing charges, allegations, Media censure, political pain (police command), and public condemnation.

(d) - And the worst and most damaging feature of Racial Violence ? Is THE MEDIA ! - The media cause, and by virtue promote, so much disharmony, even inflame crimes of this type, all factions start running. Politicians, The Judicary, and the Coppers, more so police command.

Worse still, people are often working so hard to defuse the anger, and the tensions, along come some units of the media, thrusting a camera and micraphone in your face, and with their indelicate questioning, can often further inflame the situation.

Who is to blame for this mess, I here you all ask ? If you want the opinion of a old, broken down, retired detective...ALL are at fault ! None are excused from censure - purely for failing in their collective responsibilities to do their collective duty, on behalf of all aussie taxpayers.

There's your problems - ONTHEBEACH, INDIVIDUAL and my ol' mate BELLY !

Yep, a few of the blokes who've had a tour or two in Afghanistan, wandering down the Woodridge streets, might be just the medicine required there, although some of them might be a bit soft.

Actually the real truth is that the best thing the cops could do for the Oz gene pool, is take a sabbatical from Woodridge for a few days. When they came back, the pool might be a bit smaller, but the quality would be improved.

One of my neighbours reckoned that what is needed is a few old soldiers, like him, terminal cancer patients. He tells us he would be more than happy to render one last service to the Oz community. He says the pain makes him a bit short tempered, just what's needed there right now. I think he may be right.

I do like that idea of having them work off their debt to society in an army camp, but why half measures. Send them to one of our army camps in Afghanistan. They say travel broadens the mind, if this lot still fave one to broaden.

Lexi>> But I'll have to wait until
Wednesday - and see what's happening.
Wish me luck.<<

Lexi do not fret!

Your motor needs a tune up, and tune ups these days are exceptionally non intrusive. Just last week an 80 something aunt finally had a pacemaker slotted in by keyhole. She freaked out for weeks before the procedure which they do under a measly local anesthetic. My darling aunt said the worst bit was sticking the cannula into her hand as the veins are hard to find. Her comment was, “I would do it again tomorrow, and I shouldn’t have waited”.

Lexi she had symptoms similar to you for six months before an unrelated doctors visit flushed the problem out of her denial. You will be fine my Belle. As the song lyric goes “brand new heart for a brand new start”.
Paul.