Lexi is right. Blind Freddy can see that if Turnbull was leading the Liberal Party, they would romp in at the polls. Gillard isn't good, but Abbott is dreadful!

Runner " I suspect strongly it is because he holds traditional values (faithfulness to wife) and has been greatly successful because of it."
His 'traditional values' were obviously neglected when he indulged in pre-marital sex after he stopped his Priest training, and believed he had impregnated the woman?

No, that's not it Runner. He let's his religious beliefs cloud his political judgements, especially where women's reproductive rights are involved.
I, and many women, hate that in any man, especially a male politician who may have a say in our lives.

He needs to go...

Dyed-in-the-wool Lefties will always find rationalisations for their dislike, even hatred, for LNP leaders, Turnbull included. As leader, Turnbull would instantly become a silver-tailed banker and worse.

Equally, LNP supporters would do the same to their political opponents. The suggestions from one side for the leaders for the other are always made with malice aforethought, to disrupt the 'other' side.

It is just another opportunity for venting spleen and idle speculative gossip. Tricky in that there is the pretense at liking someone from the 'other' side, but the veiled sledging is always there. It is a waste of time.

Onthebeach, we don't have to be for or against the 2 major parties to have an opinion on their members or their politics do we?

I don't vote for either party, but that doesn't stop me severely disliking Abbott's brand of politics...

IT IS TIME! to divert the thread!
Thinker 2 has just left this forum.
Two points need to be made.
First yes, IT IS MY OPINION, many here are at best uninformed.
But here I charge too, myself, and thinker 2.
I too would not bet on me being part of this forum in 6 months.
I came for robust debate, and to learn.
Yet too it will be me running away, from shadows.
Free speech demands that right.
Even if it is the right to show your self a well fool, is not descriptive enough.
RECHTUB in that posted comment said words to the effect #we have two useless leaders#
Now denys it GK, why truly bother? comment like that asks more questions about the poster!
63% DISLIKE RUDE, Abbott, source SMH today,story who will lead Labor in opposition.
LEFTIST?
Look under your seat each of you throwing that at Labor voters, the small lump stuck to the floor is your IQ!
63% writing slowly,try to keep up, [OK RECHTUB WE ARE STILL MATES] still with me?
Come get the calculators out, or take the boots off.
As you welded on Nasty man Abbott fans show,not all Liberals/conservatives, plainly lost far right, dislike Abbott.
[you owe me a beer rechtub]
Keeping up?
So 63% of the country? well it is a national poll, [ Gillard do not get carried away, unless it is on a rubbish truck].
Still here, good, 63% now we know those left wing beggars the ALP are trying to put one over on us.
But how did they get 63% of Aussie voters to blacken Dear Tony?
RUBBISH, LEFTY JUNK thats what it is!
Left of center posters we have a choice.
Stay and piddle in the right wing swimming pool or leave tail between our legs.

I find it ammusimg that all you labor supporters who bag CN, don't for one minute consider why QLD is in the predicament it's in.

The truth is that years of labor neglect has led to the neccecity from CN to try to riegn in some of labor's debts, a result of their careless missmanagement of our economy.

Kinda rings a bell, doesn't it.

It must be a labor thing. In fact, it is a labor thing, as history doesn't lie.

So back to CN and QLD.

What do you knockers suggest as an alternative? Remembering that the over spending simply had to stop.

Is it CN or the way he is going about his agenda.
Abbott is not liked as people see him as a radical, where Turnbull is middle of the road.
Bodies like Newman and Abbott have to first control the masses, to implement their style of govt;
They then by doing this makes their tenure short lived.
Uppercrust welfare, is that the way to go.
Abbott lives in a time that can not be replicated, it's stupid to think so.
There is a body of folk here that spruke Abbott at any cost, without even a policy Abbott is the man.
I see Abbott as a weasel, not to be trusted, his style as a leader in opposition says it all.
Tea party tactics never got anywhere elsewhere, and yet he persists with their tactics here.
How many times has this man made a fool of himself with unrehearsed comment. He is not showing leadership qualities.