Belly, I still consider you a mate, even if you wish to disregard me.

If you look at my post in this thread, you will see that I have not commented on Turnbul, rather, I have commented on your position on labor and your support for a potential leader, of what you consider to be a bad party.

Even in lib land, the leader is only one person.

Now for the record, I think Turnbul would make a strong leader of the libs, however I would be cautious about his values that appear to be more on the labor side than the libs.

Remember, it was he who supported an ETS that not only would have placed Australia at an unfair advantage, but it was also opposed by the then deputy PM, who is now the PM.

Most importantly, was the timing if this quest for an ETS, as the last thing you want to introduce during a global downturn, is a handicap.

I find it interesting that the same posters who had howardphobia now have abbottphobia. Really it I suspect it is a personal hatred put by some bluntly and by others in a more covert way. I suspect strongly it is because he holds traditional values (faithfulness to wife) and has been greatly successful because of it. Maybe if he had wrecked a few marriages and had a few kids with tatoos and doing drugs his vote among the left would increase. Being a Rhodes scholar shows his intellect is far above most his detractors.

Truth is Belly I sympathise with you regarding the plight of the Labor Party, because they do not stand a chance of re-election with Gillard as leader.

I haven't participated and I haven't even read the posts after about page 5 because the majority of people on this Qld-centric Forum (and their bleatings) now have the Govt they deserve in Newman as their Premier and they bore me.

Truth is the only way that Labor can regain the setting of the agenda in this debate and prevent Abbott doing this with his web of unethical and unprincipled lies and deceptions, is to bring back Rudd, bring back the Mining Tax and bring a Labor Govt back to the game.

If they don't they are clearly doomed because Gillard stands for nothing whilst Abbott stands for a sycophantic ideology not really understood by the Australian population because they are not too bright, but it stands for something; "as retrograde and backward as it is". It is like the NRA in the US and the Tea Party it's fully sick, but some people can hang their hat on it, because they are not very bright.

Worse case scenario is a dumb, ideological Abbott led Govt elected by dummies who don't even really understand what that will mean in own lives.

Looking for another country to live in because this one is already an international embarrassment. End of story.

This is my last post you bunch of arrogant tossers. Don't even bother to say good riddance, because I won't be participating any longer. Bye

Thinker2.

'Looking for another country to live in because this one is already an international embarrassment. End of story. '

Try Iran or North Korea!

Hay thinker, let me know if you need help buying a ticket to anywhere else, I'll gladly put up a few bob.

Oz will be a much better place with one less arrogant twit.