I look forward to the day Turnbull replaces Abbott.
Not because it will seal my party,s fate come election.
That hurts me.
No point in backing the wrong horse because it looks cute.
Truth out weights dreams.
I look forward because on that day.
Some contributors in this thread will be forced to confront the fact they are less than well informed, on the subject of politics.
Time wasting? certainly! but once more individual! 63% dislike Abbott.
Labors current two party preferred vote is 47 or 48%
Not all Labor voters like Turnbull.
If they did? 16% of dislikes must be Liberals.
In effect, likely that 63% is about and no more than, 40% Labor.
23% Liberal.
Your charges as is the norm are clearly the result of not understanding.
Better folk at maths than me, can give a closer count.
But no person can convince me Australia wants either leader.
A change in any party, will be catastrophic for the other.
While you individual, will not understand, my intent in this thread was not to threaten Liberals.
But to highlight the very real chance a change will result in a win in the next election.
And no change? Labors only chance is,Abbott, or keeping Gillard , a loss is assured if they do.
With some confidence I think Turnbull will lead.
And with much unhappiness think it likely Shorten [Mac the Knife]will lead Labor win support but my memory's of power brokers and Rudd will, for me, never fade from my memory
How many individual, of the 63% are uncommitted swinging voters.
Not party wants such voters more.

Belly As is i reckon we are looking at a hung parliament. The first to employ a new leader will win the race with a majority.
The danger is Gillard will increase the lead and call an election early.
Another hung parliament, would be hard to take, and disruptive.
I just hope something happens soon. 2013 should be interesting.

579,

Obviously you will continue with your personal rant against Abbott, and ignore any critiscm of Julia et al. Our great PM [ also referred to with Wayne Swan as the country bumpkins from downunder ] has with her clever? speech against Abbott, demonstrated to the rest of the world that we have at the helm an emotional female first, and a poor politician second.

As I've said previously, she is akin to a minnow swimming with whales.
She has allowed personal ambition to overide sane political decisions.
This is not a mysogynist view, but a rational assessment of a woman who is unfit to hold her position.
There have been great women in world politics, and JG has repeatedly proved to us that she will never attain anywhere near their stature.

To attempt to deflect attention from all questions she either can't or won't answer in Parliament with personal attacks is purely a ploy
used by women [God bless 'em], which is not only petty and small minded, but demonstrates my point that she puts her ego before politics. When will you leave off also personally attacking Abbott, and direct your thoughts to the larger problems facing us?

I'll try once more. The latest independent review [yesterday] has found that apart from the mining sector, the rest of our economy is flat!
Read the review yourself before telling us how good we have it under this government. Whichever way you examine them, these are facts which can't be ignored!

By he tone of your posts, one could begin to suspect that 579 is GM in disguise.

I knew you would be back Belly.

Now for the record, while you constantly remind us that many here are I'll informed, may I remind you that it was you who told me I was wrong to suggest Gillard would take Ruds job.

The only thing I was I'LL INFORMED OF was the deceitful way in which she, aided by the faceless men of the labor party, went about the job of cutting the legs from under the most popularly voted PM since Bob Halk and John Howard.

You also shot me down when I said Cambell Newman would be our next premier.

Well, if that's being I'll informed, I am guilty as charged your honor.

Now as for Turnbul, I will bet the majority who support his liberal leadership would be labor voters.

Finally, just to clear the air, I did say both current leaders were poor, however, I am not suggesting Turnbul as an alternative leader of the libs, unless of cause my only concern was for the libs to win the next election, at any cost.

Sorry, but I don't vote for what I want, I vote for what I see as the best option for the country.

In any case, whoever wins the next election will need to grow or show some balls, and kick some ass, as what is needed is some tough descisions, or who knows where we will end up.

I do find something similar rehctub, with Belly's belief in his political judgement. On this thread I got, "HASBEEN, well silly but not unexpected stuff. Your past did not give you great incite in to politics." from him.

At the time I didn't bother, but I now remind him that I predicted here, a couple of days before the event, that Turnbull was about to loose the Liberal leadership. As I recall, I was told I was a dill then too.

We do get a lot of wishful thinking advanced as predictions here, from a number of posters, all of them left. I suppose the poor dears don't have much left, other than wishful thinking.

It must be pretty dispiriting to have got two great hopes into the lodge, only to find they are both hopeless egotistical dills.

Rechtub/Hasbeen I find you both prone to hot headed not well thought out posts.
And without reserve, say time will prove me right.
Note I unlike your selves, am here shouting my disgust at some in my party.
Hate me, despise me but gentlemen test me.
Watch what unfolds this year.
Rechtub, earlier, today I think, you, in my view quite rightly, targeted 579, for his inability to see the other side.
That left me chuckling for about an hour, your description of 579, while fitting, fits you even better.
Hasbeen, mate in truth you have dropped some clangers here, little brown man was it? about an electricity meter reader I think.
Both of you, get carried away more often than me.
Abbott is supported by a minority of Australians.
It takes no courage to admit Gillard is as bad.
Rechtub agreed in the highlighted post above.
Who can say, with certainty, what percentage of swinging or undecided voters are in that 63%?
Gents it is your right to sling arrows at me, but I too have that right.
Both off you are not representative of average voters, rest assured that is true.
I fail to under stand you both, with Abbott the slim est possibility you may not win.
With Turnbull? a landslide victory is assured.
Do you not see?
First act of Turnbull can and will be, a statesman like dumping of what was to be, had to be, non core promises.
Time will test me and you.
I started the thread, individual drove me from it, am considering my future here, but am at logger heads with both right and left, feel good about that.
This election is not yet won, believe me any second Abbott may turn in to?
Himself! that would destroy his chanced, your problem is not just with me, it is with 63% of Australians.