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My father was a dedicated charity worker and he said the same (this is years ago) about having to give out handouts on visits to the other wives living with children without their father around knowing very well they were in polygamous marriages. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Poirot,

You don't seem to understand subtlety. Are you not a deep thinker? In a previous post of mine, my point in bringing up the medieval period was because of their genuine community spirit and UNITY as I stated on the last line. They were of the same cultural heritage with the one religion.

The creators of South Park say they hate any fundamentalists, but the ones they really loathe are today’s so called Liberals - the elite and all their deluded smug and empty moralising. The status (trendy) seekers. The cowards who do not want to rock the boat in aspiring to a genuine free and safe society all because it will disparage their image. It is narcissism, you know.

You don't live in Sydney, do you? I have inside knowledge of a lot of stuff going on with Muslims and their effect on our living standards and govt and public and NGO services. I have also bothered to find out more by way of studying about Islam and the West, in which I came out very negative. The lecturer who laid the facts very objectively even made light of an incident that he experienced which occurred one day in Rockdale when he was boarding a bus, a young Muslim man pushed his way in front of him and said "you know, I can kill you". The lecturer is in his early eighties. He said Muslims have the mindset that the Crusades only happened yesterday advising we must be mindful of that. The Crusaders were actually defending Europe from Muslim invasion, He also said they just don't do ecumenical dialogue fullstop as they beyond criticism. Dialogue with infidels is only acting to them. We also met three Muslim men who came to our class one evening, which was merely perfunctory. One of them was a Revert - they don’t call them Converts because they say everyone has always been Muslim. /Cont...

Poirot,

You don't seem to have any understanding of human nature and tribal instincts. You don't know anyone who lives among Muslims, do you? All the latte sippers live in the leafy suburbs, inner city or country areas like yourself. I'd like to throw them all into Lakemba and then see how they like it. I've also heard an Iraqi give a talk in Berlin who was in disbelief in how the Left align themselves with Islamists and disregard truth. He said it’s like talking to deaf ears. You don’t know how much anxiety this is causing to people in general and to be further exacerbated by the thought police. Please read up on some history, will you. Educate yourself.

Now it is in Western Sydney almost a daily event of some form of violence occurring. The latest this week was a whole Muslim family attacking and injuring police after a domestic dispute. And home invasions by a gang in Auburn attacking victims with machetes. One man had a whole chunk of his forehead taken.

Who caused the Cronulla riots? They assaulted volunteer lifesavers for goodness sake. What are they trying to start, WW3? Who else does this?

Constance,

"You don't seem to understand subtlety. Are you not a deep thinker?..."

"You don't seem to understand human nature and tribal instincts..."

What I don't understand is puerile "self-proclaimed salt-of-the-earth-types" using their confected identity to cause division and angst in the community.

Btw, I'm not in the least interested in your petty cherry-picking narratives concerning naughty Muslims.....anyone can single out any race or religion for the same treatment.

I do understand your reference to genuine community spirit.

Are you suggesting that Australia's once intrinsic community spirit has waned because of immigration - particularly Muslim immigration?

I might point out that modern Australian society is factored around the new consumer paradigm where apparently the attitude of value - and one which is actively configured from infancy to adulthood - is "individualism" and "competition".

Our migrants could teach us a thing or two about "community spirit (and many already have).

Tom's reference to the medieval community spirit rested on the fact that the medievals adhered to the Catholic faith - once the Protestants were born...well you know what happened there...(not to mention Oliver Cromwell and his deeds)

Oh, and fancy both the protagonists being the same religion - and Christian to boot.

So, as we see, humans are tribal, nasty, fear-driven, selfish, back biting critters when it suits them.

My take on this thread is to encourage people to rise above it - but for the most part it doesn't seem to be working.

Poirot “Strange that we've managed to achieve that while simultaneously our culture has received more diverse people?”

Yes, in spite of the introduction of illiberal, sexist, homophobic, religiously intolerant ethnic groups, the West has continued its own *internal* social developments regarding liberty and social welfare that have been building for *centuries*.

Real world/real life advances you're willing to gamble away for a utopian fantasy of all-hold-hands-and-sing-together.

csteele “I have had the misfortune to feel the need to read a good chunk of Anders Breivik’s manifesto and whenever I find his sentiments being echoed...”

Have you had the misfortune of reading the Koran?

Yes, whenever “sentiments” veer anywhere near Breivik’s, we must react as if one is a *clone* of such, or even better, Hitler and the Nazis.

My proposal of facial recognition assessment of immigration *applicants* is twisted into a new Holocaust.

Simply maintaining our existing ethnic nature (within a 50% margin) is *equated* with Nazi superhuman idealism and “subhuman” extermination.

I have had the misfortune of reading this thread.

Yes,...well, Shockadelic, I'm pleased to say that, save for a measliest portions, I've had the good sense and fortune not to bother reading your posts....if the following is anything to go by:

"My proposal of facial recognition assessment of immigration "applicants"....."

Gawd...!