Belly,

"Good by to poirot, valuing truth it is not possible to ignore attempts to silence or at least muffle views this poster holds."

I assume what you're actually trying to say is that because I critiqued your views on this thread,that I'm trying to silence or muffle you....yes?

Well, if you didn't know - this is a forum of discussion and debate. It seems to me that you had a pretty good run getting your point of view out there. Where, Belly were you silenced? Your posts are in the majority on this thread.

What you're having is nothing but a plonker because I criticised your views. You apparently reserve the right to spit out whatever you like regarding your views..more to the point you run a handy line in denigrating your fellow posters with your boundless suspicions...and apparently if anything is posted registering opposition to your remarks it's trying to shut you down.

Rubbish!

Poirot, according to Belly, his words, I am a Soviet loving naked Morris Dancer. If you play the clip below, that's me with back to camera. It was a cold day so we kept our cloths on. LOL. Imagine a naked Joe Starlin doing the Watusi that's me
As I posted elsewhere I have come across lots of Belly's over the years, both as a member of the ALP and The Greens and as a union rep, years ago. People who believe their views are some how 'socialistic' in some form, but when you question them, you find they are dyed in wool conservatives.
p/s Belly's over 60 I'm not much younger that him about 5 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao

http://www.danielpipes.org/232/muslims-in-the-west-can-conflict-be-averted
Lexi, Poirot, when I agreed with you, or supported you, no difficulty was found in understanding.
Let the long, but interesting, link speak for me.
I would hope, without confidence, you will understand this, my views are freely targeted, yours too need to be reviewed.

Paul, if in any future posting I talk only to my self so be it.
Your strident views are not shared by many, I will no longer read yours.
A some what sorry, note this forum is less attractive than it once was, and can be.
And intend posting only occasionally.
Christians, non believers, may I ask why are we fighting.
And answer, this cult is trying to make my country change to fit its wants and wishes while mine are the carpet they walk on.
csteele has found other riders for that anti western hobby horse, never me.

Dear Belly,

It's not surprising that you would choose a link
by Daniel Pipes, who's made a career out of
his publications of "Militant Islam." A
man who's point of view, putting it poltely
is anything but objective.

And you tell us that the link represents your
thinking on the subject.

As we've stated on this forum to you - you are
entitled to your opinion. We are entitled to
disagree with you and Mr Pipes.

Belly,

What Lexi said.

Paul1405, aren't the Amish included in your multicultural loveland?
Oh forgot, they're White. Doesn't count.

Lexi “No, you're not there yet.”

You are suffering from a common malady.
You think an “open mind” means perpetual neutrality.
When you're young you gather information and experience.
But then you have to choose, decide, judge.
You can't be 22 forever.

"You know little about other ways of life"

You know nothing of what I know.
I *know* that 3 out of 4 new immigrants come from cultures either completely unrelated to ours, or so remotely related it's redundant (Indic/Iranian, went their separate ways from us around 6000 years ago).

I don't *need* to know about “other” ways.
I'm not the one moving into another country.

"It can cause hostility and conflict between groups"

Any differences between peoples can cause conflict.
That's precisely the reason we should be more careful about immigration.

What "conflict" can exist with people that aren't here?
You are bringing alien peoples and cultures *into* Australia.

People like *you* are paving the way for conflicts that would otherwise never occur!

When in history did Turks ever live with Vietnamese?
Or Zulus with Finns?
Or Samoans with Bengalis?
*Never*!

Until people like *you* brought them all together.
If conflict results from this ridiculous experiment, it's *your* fault.

"people such as yourself unwilling to see the need for changes in their own culture."

Our society *was* changing.
The old "norms" (which you falsely presume I support) were dwindling away.
We were, in the West, on the verge of being truly "modern", truly "liberal".
After centuries of gut-wrenching stepping stones.

And then, just at the break of dawn....
We open the floodgates to peoples with virtually *no* experience with modernity, liberalism, secularism or democracy.

That's not "progress". That's going backwards.

*You* are taking us back to the 50s.
The 1450s!

Thanks a bunch!

In melodramatic soap opera voice: You ruined everything!