Hi Poirot, that sounds like a good time with the Thanksgiving meal.
Yes, most on their deathbeds are resigned to their fate and indeed look forward to the release from their sickness or old age.
I was merely answering the previous post that suggested that unless you believed in religion you were terrified on your deathbed! That is just rubbish.

Shockadelic <" I wonder how many Islamic, Hindu or Buddhist symbols would be removed because a minority of remnant colonial Europeans in Asia were “offended”. "

And there is the proof that at least some of the 'religious objectors' who still want their crosses, with tortured ancient men hanging on them, up on the walls in secular public schools, are really just upset about multiculturalism.

Lucky we have a majority " of remnant colonial Europeans " here in good old Oz hey Shockadelic?

Fact..... no deities exist.

There is not even ONE tiny shred of actual evidence of any type for the existence of anything whatsoever that's supernatural, let alone proof. This fact is meaningless for "believers". Why? Because their myths and superstitions are based on "belief" only, and it's irrelevant to them that their beliefs are not factual.

That's ALL they have ..... "belief", and nothing else whatsoever. Some admit it (the honest ones who are proud to live by their faith and belief), others deny it and claim they can prove the supernatural, other believers just don't care either way and continue "believing" regardless, and others become quite obtuse and make up their own personal beliefs (people like Yuyu).

They are entitled to their "beliefs", no matter how non factual those beliefs are.

Poirot no offense taken, as usual you have my respect.
I know of suseonline,s death bed story, have seen folk wait until we[family] arrived then die.
In fact had advice I should leave, as mum would not go while I was there prove true.
A bloke I know, real bloke real life, thinks the sea holds his God, or is his God.
He is most happy talking to it,he has made his God, given it power and totally believes in it.
I think this is the way Gods, every one of them, became our comfort blanket.

I think that just about wraps it up for the voyage around your belief system Yuyutsu.

But just for the record:

>>Dear Pericles, As you conclude yourself, no words can describe Reality, so I won't try<<

That is your conclusion, not mine.

>>I can suggest practices that may help you over time to perceive Reality undistorted, but it takes work and dedication, not just words<<

I take leave to doubt that, since you would be unable to identify a reality, distorted or undistorted, that has any objective meaning.

Which only leaves the subjective. Your position relies entirely on the subjective, since you scorn any attempt by us mere mortals to define, classify, describe or make manifest any or all of: religion, God, reality or even existence. Such a stance enables you to categorically set yourself apart from the rest of us, and lecture us from afar without fear of contradiction or even simple enquiry.

You have impressed Poirot, that is clear.

>>I'm not sure I understand entirely where Yuyutsu is coming from, but I note a distinct lack of egoism and arrogance in his explanations - most unusual to say the least....and quite refreshing, in fact!<<

I see exactly the opposite. A condescension born of the most complete form of egoism - the awareness that because you can make everything entirely subjective, you need neither defend or explain your position to others.

At least the rest of us are making an effort to understand, to learn and to benefit from each other's views.

Thank you, Belly, for making the attempt. Sorry it has been somewhat hijacked.

Pericles,

I've had many a debate with Yuyutsu attempting to punch holes in his approach - so I wouldn't say I'm "impressed" - more fascinated. I've disagreed with him on a few issues on this forum quite vehemently. This time I merely studied the machinations of the debate - which I found interesting.

It seems to me that any "scorn" you derive from his responses is a result of your annoyance that your usual technique for whittling away someone's defences failed to work on Yuyutsu on the subject of his belief system

....so your last post seems to me you projecting your frustration onto Yuyutsu - and me by default.

Pericles,

I just noted your sentence "A condescension born of the most complete form of egoism."....er, cough!....that's the pot calling the kettle black.

You're an intelligent debater on OLO who delights in dissecting other posters arguments almost forensically. Condescension is part of your technique, because you're eloquent and logical, and usually one step ahead of your opponent. It's mildly amusing to see you accuse someone else of condescension and egoism because you can't wrap your logical mind around the perspective described.

Yuyutsu explains without defending - I believe that is the crux of your frustration. It's not a feature of egoism to practice defencelessness.