Fair enough, Pericles,

As I mentioned, I have had occasion to debate Yuyutsu on the subject of his belief system.....and found it fairly impervious to my charging batons....although I believe on a few occasions he was as confused as I was.

Cheers : )

"This model is consistent, not because I am a genius, but because it is conferred in scripture by ancient seers who directly experienced the Reality of God."

Veni, vidi, vici vedic?

Y lets see, not sure what you meant.
*Not because I am a Genius*
Is that a statement of fact?
A denial?
I am trying to keep up that is all.

Dear Belly,

Sorry I have no more time today to respond fully, I'll be back on Sunday.

What I meant is that the reason why the model I present is consistent (eg. why it has has no contradictions, neither internal, nor with external evidence), is not because I am so intelligent that I was able to work out such a wonderful bullet-proof model myself, but rather as Newton said, because I was standing on the shoulders of giants.

See you Sunday.

Suseonline “really just upset about multiculturalism.”

Why wouldn't people be upset with the demolition and negation of their heritage?
If it was anyone but white people, you'd agree.
Oh no, the Taliban blew up a giant Buddha. What a tragedy!
Australian culture stripped of Christian symbolism, Whatever! White people are evil.

We aren't a remnant population. Do you know what “remnant” means?
We aren't merely a “trace”, we are the principal population group, and it is *our* culture that defines this country, not Aboriginal or minority immigrant cultures.

Keep repeating your delusional mantras about how we are what we aren't, and we aren't what we are.
If you say them enough times, the space-time continuum will warp to match your wishful thinking.

BTW, ever heard of swastikas? Who'd be offended by them?
Can't wait for that new Buddhist temple in Hurstville with the giant gold swastika.
What a cultural enhancement!

DiamondPete “That's ALL they have ..... "belief"

No, they have *experiences*. A myriad of documented experiences.
Which you dismiss because they can't be objectively proven.
Okay, you claim you ate breakfast this morning. I don't believe you. Prove it. Where's the proof?
Oh, an x-ray? Yes, there's something in your stomach, but is it “breakfast”? Prove it!

Poirot “There is no definitive answer to such an inquiry - only philosophical opinion.”

Agreed. The “debate” is redundant. It's all just opinions, not “facts”, as one particularly irritating contributor keeps screaming.

Shocky wrote, "no, they have experiences". Shocky therefore denied outright, in direct reply to my post, that believers have beliefs.

I've noticed throughout my long life that "some" followers of the various religions deny their faith and belief. They get deeply offended when it's pointed out to them that their various superstitions are based on faith and belief. Whilst other, more grounded followers, embrace their faith and belief and recognise that their religions are faith and belief based.

To directly answer Belly's subject .....

There will always be a need for religions whilst it remains impossible to currently prove that Flying Spaghetti Monsters In The Sky don't exist. The fact remains that science currently can't prove that floating pixies don't exist, that invisible fairies in your garden don't exist, that undetectable pink unicorns are not guardian angels to every horse in Australia etc etc etc etc etc.

In other words .... until science can prove that no deities, or any supernatural life whatsoever exists, then there will be a need for religion amongst the more gullible of us.

Hopefully, within the next 10,000 or so years science will have the "factual" answers to all questions regarding all existence. Remember, science is currently in it's mere infancy.

Then, and only then, will religious superstitions be a thing of the past.