Turnbull would outweigh Abbott. Abbott has taken the libs in a different direction, not even he knows where they are heading.
Abbott's only objective has failed, and is now struggling to find words.
The floor mop Bishop is a narky piece. Hockey is a makeshift treasurer.
The carbon tax has run it's course, without the sky falling in.
The welfare for the well off is awaiting implementation, at the expense of the atmosphere.
QLD fudging figures, to create unemployment and chaos.
NSW has learnt from QLD.
Vic is wreaking the Tafe system.
Vic went against one of the best politicians of all time in Brumby.
You don't know what you have until it's gone.

Ludwig I did not know that number had come up.
Visited the other day, looking for Lexis last few posts.
I wanted to try to find evidence for her leaving, still concerned about her health.It would not be possible to find any leader to fit your list, but it would be very hard to reform even here.
Say,tax reform, any party considering raising the GST, removing ALL other tax,s bar company and PAY AS YOU EARN would not be re elected.
And a government with guts to call a Royal Commission Nation wide, in to the Catholic Church and other sources of Pedophilia? may be thrown out of office.
Trying to please MOST is as near as we get to good government.
The MOST should make their views be seen and heard, not the minor groups.
Most of us would approve leaving the UNHCR to stop boats forever, others want them to continue to come to use them against others, only those with minority views win then.
Welfare Reform, try saying those who get it should be ONLY the needy not the greedy and back pocket politics will remove you.
TURNBULL! beaten by a single vote, I see a true Liberal in him, remember they removed him on one issue, Carbon tax/market pricing.
CRAP!Abbott,s view, one of them, on this issue,growing world wide action to reduce carbon signature is going to hoist the gent on his own petard, watch.

Belly, I don't think Phillip is taunting you personally, he is simply providing an update to the out of control illegals issue CAUSED BY LABOR.

So I ask again, and I will keep asking, if they (labor) can't fix it, which is obvious, why do you and your die hard labor supporters feel labor have earned the right to another term.

It's a very simple question that none of you seem willing to address, and it's going to go down in history as the worst descision by any government ever.

Put simply, it could break us, yet all this government can do is talk.

The waste continues.

Lets remember it was Abbott that blocked the Malaysia solution.
Legislation is in parliament now that takes AU off the destination for boaters. Will Abbott vote for it.
It's a longshot to blame Labor. There are wars going on and more people are on the move like never before.
Abbott favors boaters because it narks the govt; It doesn't get much publicity any more.
So be patient butch, and get plenty of sleep.

Rechtub I am baffled and just do not know what to say.
Yes I can see why you are supporting young Phil, he has to be a kid.
He said, now read, Abbott did not want to stop the boats, he wants to beat Labor, and gloated about it!
He is trying to divert the thread, you seem unaware I have answered your question at least twenty times in many threads.
Like Phil your problem is you are waiting for me to answer your question in the way YOU WANT IT.
Sorry will not happen, research, find our just what the Malaysian solution is, not from Liberal press.
It alone, is the only answer currently to stop the boats.

I notice you are stung by my comments about the LNP Belly, and if you had noticed, I am actually a rusted on labor person whom has failed to vote for the Greens up to this point.

Your refer to my pointing out of historical the fact that the LNP have never been responsible for the building of infrastructure as un-thinkable insults when the unthinkable insult is the ideology the LNP has bestowed upon Australia in it's terms in Govt.

I challenge you Belly to name one piece of public infrastructure "initiated" and built by the LNP. Particularly in recent times.

My proposition is that they are actually regressing to a place beyond the ridiculous ideology that is their foundation. The same philosophy that see's millions of people living in doorways in the US and workers having to accept tips instead of appropriate pay and conditions. And despite the sacrifices of the man on the street in the US their sovereign debt is about to swallow them as they ponder yet another bail out for the wealthy.

Finally referring to my view as outdated and using emotive terms like comrade is so last century that it is clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black.