Thinker 2 welcome, to this century not the first years of the 1900s you will find some differences.
The Comrades are gone, after killing more workers than all the wars and famines in history.
The few who remain have never worked for an honest living and never been hungry.
You make the mistake the worst of the Conservative supporters do, insulting those who do not think like you.
You are a green,I knew that on telling you my thoughts,but they too are unable to take on new thoughts.
Labor supporters, even welded on ones like me,have no choice in the Turnbull matter.
ANY LIBERAL LEADER I chose will meet with your blind condemnation, unthinking insults!
However the polls say he is the candidate.
If you want to be considered a thinker, include others thoughts in your reading of issues,are you maybe afraid my PREDICTION not orders, that Gillard confronted by other than Abbott is unelectable.
Thinker 2 Labor is my love but unlike you, I consider we must answer the questions left by Rudds knifing and a leftist Gillards installation.

Ok T2, Howard did sell assetts,against my will, esspecially givennthere were alternatives at hand.

On the other hand, today, right here, right now, what alternatives do you see we have other than to increase taxes and sell assetts, to repay this huge debt.and remember, the illegals debacle is still ongoing and, even if the libs get in, it won't stop overnight.

So what do you propose we do?

579, Nauru should have been used four odd years ago, when the numbers of illegals was not totally out of control.

Don't worry about the illegals Juliar is on the job - we have only had 950 in 18 boats in the last 10 days.
This alone is becoming a deficit buster.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/libs-reject-right-push-for-direct-election-20121110-2951c.html
This link is informative.
Those who do not live in NSW or do not look at the in depth part of politics will not know.
But both sides have power brokers.
Liberals at present to control their own left and LIBERAL factions.
Labor too to control its left and? well not sure just control while ignoring the nature of vermin like Tripoly and Obeid?
However it is my view this link not a Labor mates cone needs looking at.
I will die with two thoughts in my mind one is factions serve both party,s
That room must exist, on both sides for all opinions from that side of politics.
Including the thought Labor members too should have the right to crose the floor.
My second? who can I still vote Labor after death.
No POWER BROKERS, BOTH PARTY,S ARE IN FESTERED WITH THEM.
We must get rid of them, no party needing them, Tripoly and Obeid are ex PBs has the brain power to exist.
I unlike my opponents here, will adress not the ignored subject of this thread but the junior stone throwing at boat people next post.
However in eye to eye contact, or printed body language is telling,trying to ignore the substance, divert to other things clearly not fully under stood id a symptom of defeat.

It in my view is flaming or trolling to enter threads with the single intention to taunt another poster,I charge Phillips with that.
Another not here is as guilty and both have said nothing of substance during my years here, the other has been about for a long time.
My post history clearly gets me in trouble, even briefly sent to Coventry once, I have for many years said our Social Security system is the magnet for many boat people and MIGRANTS.
I WANT AN END TO ALL BOAT PEOPLE.
Some truths, Rudd got it wrong, but we all, every one of us here, overlook the INTERNAL WRECKERS our own people herein this country telling these folk to come, openly WASPs BACK GROUND undermining us helping the boats to come.
Abbott, here is how it goes wrong!such as rechtub and Phillips WILL NOT HEAR TRUTH!
Never wants the boats to stop until he stops them.
He wanted all or nothing.
Gillard too stopped her Minister, a jewel in Labors crown, months before the committee from using Abbott,s plan.
BOTH SIDES BETRAY US we can stop the boats MALAYSIA will not bash them, an insult to a country VITAL to our future is no answer.
Will no Liberal come forward to combat the CONSERVATIVE destruction of LIBERALISM?
Gillard I will never forget or forgive you,dance on the roof of my car the day you go.
But given the blind stupidity of todays opposition, matches that of you and those who support you.
I will vote for you.
See no one else is standing two clowns unloved disliked incomplete politicians, but what choice has this country got?

<< Turnbull Shmirnbull, it just the same sh** different bucket >>

Erm,,,,yeayus!

Trouble is; the policies or basic philosophies of both parties are just totally up the pole!

So what we are really discussing is the capability of a leader to take us strongly in the wrong direction!

It’s really quite nonsensical. What we need to resolve is how we get both parties, or at least one of the liblabs to embrace the ‘sustainable future’ cause.

Gillard talks about it, but she’s not getting Labor to approach it at all!

I thought Turnbull might take the Libs somewhat in that direction but his recent comments about immigration and Australia’s population size have totally killed that off!

We are left with no one in the Libs!

We’ve got two excellent prospects in the Labs – Carr and Thomson. So that is really where we should be concentrating our energies.

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Belly, may I slightly prematurely congratulate you on reaching 10 000 posts on OLO!!

We started at the same time, just one day apart. So that makes you twice as mad as me… as this is my 5000th post!

Cheers ( :>)

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