Philip I was talking to Abbott old boy. Can you explain welfare for lifers.
Cabinet decisions, is it their decision for Tony to put his foot in his mouth at every turn.
The libs track record is crap, pledges in blood, happens, No.
That is some recommendation.
Tony won't allow the wheat men to do what they want to do with their own wheat. Was that a cabinet decision, or a shot from the hip.
That is more dictatorial, than good management.
Turnbull is your best hope, of any sanity in govt;.

Turnbull is your best hope, of any sanity in govt;.
579,
In comparison to what Labor has to offer yes, even Turnbull would be better but sadly for him the Coalition demands better.

Well by now a few will understand [unlikely any of the current Liberal contributors] this is my effort, on behalf of the shy Liberals to highlight their troubles.
Indy, one of our best ranters, seems, well is,unaware Abbott has said he will cut the pensions by taking back Labors recent increases.
In no way does not knowing stop his rants.
Have we noticed? some will have both my belief Labor can not win, and the extraordinary views, held by too many, that IF YOU DO NOT THINK AS THEY DO! you are wrong every time.
My link, laying many of my charges against Abbott has bought no remarks.
As silly childlike as it seems, SOME REFUSE TO READ OTHER VIEWS!
A mountain of evidence is there to rebut so many of the down right silly claims about a bankrupt country and waste.
Bur SOME are unable to let the light of truth shine in, note individuals uninformed comments.
Today, returning to my market day trips I tested the water, standing with a stall holder who is neutral but concerned, I soon found myself talking to three concerned Liberals.
One full of hate for me, briefly his attitude changed for some reason.
But each, without force, found we do actually have common ground, on almost every thing, even the subject of our longest ever thread.
Know what? these three two men and a middle to upper class woman, all agreed Abbott is no leader, he who hated me did so more for Tony.
The woman? loves Turnbull says as I do Abbott best serves the ALP.

Belly,
I read your link but thought it not worth commenting on, it is just a rant with no factual substance. A good illustration why I seldom read Grattan or Carlton.

Fairfax has far better columnists than her, Daley or Sheehan for example.

579 - The was a government survey in 2008 of 8,500 of people accepted by the Government. Of that 8,500 - 85% were still on Centrelink payments after being here for 5 years.

Just 9 per cent of Afghan adults got a job and 94 per cent receive benefits.

For the Iranian adults, just 12 per cent got a job.

That above are welfare for lifer, A lot can't speak English and do not want to learn so can never be given a job (if they had a an accident they would say "I could not read or understand the sign" the Government will then sue the employer.

Remember most boats have 95% men on them. That alone should tell you something is wrong.

Indonesia have said there are around 100,000 refugees there looking to get to Australia. Indonesia were stupid enough to let them into there country but they are glad when they leave for Australia.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/15294469/abbott-pm-still-on-the-nose-with-voters/
Well come to the howling mob Banjo, I kept a seat for you.
We must not let statistics and truth get in the way of a good yarn.
Just so some will understand.
This link is to the Galaxy poll.
It has changed but not much.
Clearly, it is not the poll delivering a 50/50two party preferred.
This poll, RUDE! must be an ALP plot!
Well many will see it as such!
Delivers this news, BOTH EX LEADERS ARE PREFERRED OVER CURRENT ONES
Socialist lefty troublemakers want TURNBULL!
OH! hang on 60% of them?
Nah! polls are always wrong, UNLESS THEY AGREE WITH US!
Australia is lead by two rejects, not hard to work out but hard for our growing group of one eyed Liberals.
OH yes Galaxy, now got it half right my combative Liberals will see.
Clear victory to Libs, 20 seat loss to Gillard PTY LTD,
Damn idgits! say the nation wants to see Abbott gone!
Lefty loony,s!
I wish to say clearly all Liberal voters are not like this.
Many actually understand truth, the idea we have two party,s, that Labor voters make up more than Liberal or Nats on their own.
And just may be the bloke sipping his beer next to you.
Those who do not,like the greens,are over represented on line as people tend to walk away and not listen in real life.