Good afternoon to; BELLY, INDIVIDUAL, REHCTUB, and LUDWIG...

A couple of things if I may - Firstly, I'm heartened by the expectation that there're people like you out there, who are prepared to speak with so much sound common sense !

We're just ordinary folk who are mortified at the prospect of watching our beloved country being slowly usurped, from right under our collective noses, by a group of faceless men and women ensconced deep within the hallowed halls of Parliament House, Canberra.

It's these people who are either unable or unwilling to strongly preserve the integrity of our Borders!

My second issue;

All my adult life I've been an arch-conservative, and thus, voted for the Liberal Party both, in State and Federal elections. I've never apologised nor resiled from my conservative position.

Therefore, when I heard that Mr ABBOTT had blown the opportunity to canvass the views and opinions from the Indonesian President, on an important plank in the Liberal's 'Boat People' policy - by signalling his future Govt's intent to tow these leaky boats back from whence they came ? Apparently, he failed to do so !

May I ask why ? Stupidly, a rhetorical question I realize !

Mr Abbott, is no different than all the other 'pollies' in Canberra. All talk and promises, devoid of any substance.

This man who wishes to succeed Ms Gillard post the next election, has again demonstrated he's bereft of all (leadership) courage.

And please, don't let him claim he's waiting for a more appropriate time, and a more favourable diplomatic opportunity, in order to broach his solution with the President ? Simply, it just doesn't wash, sadly.

o sung wo you too add to my happiness .
Let me say this again 80% of us think and want alike out comes.
And while welded on Labor,I understand changes in governments are good for this country.
Tony Abbott would/will not be.
Yes I understand, when I say Turnbull I get the lefty loony bit.
But strengthened by his loss, returning to what he is, the man is a statesman.
I see nothing close to that in Gillard, one day Shorten, if he does not dance too close to the fire, again, and Rudd if we have the Guts, can be again.
Labors weakness is it expels those who differ not remembering we are a big Church, with room for every one, bar the Greens.
Some how I fear, unless we see Malaysia re-introduced next sitting day, Abbott will after a victory do it and look good, to the true blind.

Watched Minister Bowen on ABC, he is a good Minister.
He wanted to take action early Gillard stomped on him.
He may have some thing up his sleeve.
I hope so.
This issue can bring about an early election.
Some independents Wilkie the wa&&a will not vote for Malaysia.
So if it comes? please Abbott /Gillard, take the needed three months to make it a double dissolution one.
We get rid of wilkie and many greens that way, and Gillard, gee almost worth the pain.

In all seriousness, I don't think there is a solution, oit unless we take a very hard line approach, something I doubt will happen in this PC gone mad world we have created for ourselves.

So the question is, how much longer can we continue to fund thus shambles.

At best, we just take funding from elsewhere, health, education, mental health, aged pensions/care, the list goes on.

At worst, we see some of our soles to secure funding by way of borrowings.

Why the he'll can't the powers to be see just how serious this mess is.

Why the he'll don't they just take what ever action, short of war, that is needed to stop this debacle and stop it now.

I stilll say, they caused the mess and, if they can't fix it, step aside, as it's our furthers this lot are risking, not theirs, cause they will forever be well paid, whether the succeed or fail.

Rechtub I want to take a different approach to this issue.
Like the Muslim riot one, we both while having differing answers, hold similar views.
And any view, on both subjects, is supported by some.
Using H,s fine thread as a start, let us see why it is so important to so many, any why it has not been fixed.
First concerns came post Vietnam war, and its boat people.
That debate, in differing times, and after a true war, saw racism, right to white Australian bigotry run as reason for fear.
A negative side, not majority, but negative still, was the importation of crime groups.
And SOME following generations, Australians, continuing that crime connection.
Again negative but not over riding the positives.
Now we see a two headed snake, SOME of the Muslim faith who came here under a Liberal Prime Minister, mirror that trend, bought great harm,and following generations still continue it.
Maybe if not for that we would see past who is coming now.
We need to see not every Muslim is so harsh on our culture.
But too that it is pure poison to say we can ever, except enclaves of near no go in our country.
14.000 came under Howard in 11 years.
25.000 under Gillard/Rudd in 5 years.
Some scream at us that if we took them all in it would be a flea on a dogs back.
We all ignore that it is LESS THAN OUR ANNUAL INTAKE of refugees.
But they are gate crashers, some quite rich, very few refugees, and SOME forever, not wanting our culture.
WE WANT THEM STOPPED.
WHY? if we today, said let every one of them in, watch for Gillard doing just that!
Next year it could/would? be 100.000
In ten years? 2 million? ten million?
Short on posts,new threads, will continue here and leave others today.

FIXING IT.
Remember I said all view,s are supported by some one.
And too opposed by many.
It is true, bar a high court ruling in my View it would have been fixed by the Malaysian solution.
In that case the pink green left and bleeding heart academia , very few over ruled the wishes of the many.
Too we just must as well as laying the blame on Labor, I do, but understand even if they had not got it so very wrong it may have still gone bad.
We should in HONESTY know Labor offered Liberals both Manus and Nehru and only a recommendation from Gillards independent group got past the NEGATIVITY.
Rechtub this can not be resolved, Greens are as useless as a dead tree, independents SOME stunned in the light of minority views.
ONLY Labor and Liberals TO GETHER can fix it.
Right now my challenge to both is do it.
What other than Malaysia exists now?
What other than REWARDING thousands of boat people from gaining entry in a empty the camps rush is on the cards?
IF it takes us taking 24.000 from that country, in return for 2.400 of our unwanted arrivals, to end the trade.
Then we benefit as does Indonesia Malaysia as boats stop.
A side issue that just must be addressed.
We should abolish the purely silly Australia test,and ask out right of every Migrant
*Do you respect Australians right to their own culture?, and do you agree to abide by our laws*
It takes two Rechtub,shame we only have Gillard and Abbott, in that matter too I have support, far more than most think.
LAST? some will cringe and say lie! but our SOCIAL WELFARE is the driving force for many to come here, consider a minimum work history before granting it!