We definitely need TPVs. And we need the definition of a refugee to be interpreted toughly instead of in the most lenient possible manner.

We definitely do not need the Malaysian carry-on. 800 refugees to be sent there in exchange for 4000 coming into Australia. No way!

Luddy, I think the 4000 are included in our commitment, not extras.

Soggy, I presume you mean that those 4000, to come here over four years if we were to implement this Malaysian thing, would displace 1000 offshore refugees each year, so that our total refugee intake wouldn’t change, but those 1000 people who would have come here will just get to wait a year or so longer or perhaps not get to come at all??

I say at best locate them in the outback, with tents, food and water. At worst, send them back, turn them around.

If It turns out they have something to offer, then look at them,as the last thing we can afford is more non contributing passengers, don't you think.

After all, surely we have a duty of care to see our own people are cared for before any who arrive illegally and uninvited as these lot do.

Let the insularity and inflexible anti refugee ideology here continue on ... nothing can change the ideology of the early last century "Fortress Australia" policy, that several people here religiously embrace. Cling to your inhumanity and continue living in a LONG past Australia.

The rest of Australia will simply move on and advance, and leave behind the old fashioned ideology of national insularity. Some radicals, and far right wingers, will forever be stuck in the past: No amount of debate, or logic, or common decency will convince them otherwise.

will forever be stuck in the past:
DiamondPete,
The past is proven, we have evidence, evidence which clearly shows that the future will be an intolerable mess if we don't take action now, action which has proven right several times already.