Good evening to you - INDIVIDUAL, BELLY and REHCTUB...

You're so correct in your summation of the seriousness of the situation. Anyone who wilfully attempts to deceive OZ authorities by discarding all documentation of identification, is NOT the sort of individual who in my humble opinion, will make a positive contribution to Australia, or our way of life.

If they begin their journey to OZ, based on an ideology or doctrine of deception. Will they continue to employ such illegitmate practices and principles, if and when they receive the right to settle here ?

Moreover, whenever they wish to advance a claim or further their causes on any issues, which might well prove diametrically foreign to our way of life. Will they again regress to those deceptive measures, considered proscribed, in order to achieve their ends. Similar to that, which they initially utilized, when they first entered the country ?

And REHCTUB, you're sadly so right. If we don't begin to present a much firmer posture with many of these people now, will it not end in violence, sometime in the future ?

Well said o sung wu.

Cheers.

Thanks Rechtub/o sung wo/ Ludwig.
Maybe I best contribute by telling you who it feels for a true believer.
I remain one, but my true belief in Gillard and Swan are unprintable.
Right now Labor is in crisis.
One it appears unable to fix.
It could be hidden threats to leave Parliament if leaders change.
But includes Thomson and tight numbers.
On Malaysia? SOME independents, Greens, Abbott,s rabbits, will not let it be put in place.
It will be wrapped like a news paper and used to flog Labor.
Gillard lacks the skill to tell us this, maybe she lacks too, the will to tell us.
SOME of her actions are purely fear.
I too fear, the drift of my party to Greens, Greens, unaware of it those who go to them, are in the end enemy,s of over 80% of Australians.
And they stall our wishes and wants, we divide our country by voting for a do nothing group of dreamers.
O SUNG WO in his work life would have seen car thiefs get 12 months or more in prison.
Yet these criminals, oh yes they are!
Get sent to an Island feed and looked after.
And as Howard did, oh yes he did, sneaked in to this country in the end.
So? give Malaysia a chance,ship every arrival, yes 800 for 4.000,within a week to Malysia,papers marked NO ENTRY IN TO AUSTRALIA FOR LIFE.
Build hospitals with our savings.
AND tell us NOW! how much it is costing to look after boat people.
Last? Gillard has some fine people, but she could not lead a hairy grub train to food.
Rudd like him or not would fix this Kevin is a different man, driven by his wish to not be replaced he is Kevin 13 not an unlucky number.
Labors single life boat

I think the answer lies within the Indonesian authorities.

I say the authorities as it is impossible for that many people/boats to leave, unnoticed.

We have our PM over there talking to the authorities, but I bet she has not mentioned the corruption from within which simply has to be a huge part of the cause.

Threats to foriegn aid may be a good place to start.

As for the smugglers, if the Indonisian authorities do their job, the smugglers would be arrested and thrown into some whole, that the authorities call, a gaol.

So perhaps the answer lies in us finding some way to enforce the authorities to take serious action, because let's face it, if the boats don't leave, we don't have to stop them.

Simply talking about it has proven to be a total waste of time.

Time for the big balls approach.

Time to 'man up' Julia. And that's not intended as a sexist remark.

If I had my way I would put together an international force similar to the UN but one with integrity. I would then go into those countries & grab those who make peoples' life a misery. To establish who the crap heads are I would enlist the able-bodied of the boat people to go back to their countries with those forces. The Nr 1 priority must be not to create refugees.
Why this is not done is beyond me. Billions upon billions, thousands upon thousands of lives lost & here we are, in a worse state than before. Why don't journos ask Obama & Putin et al blatantly "do you want this dreadful situation to drag on or stop it". Let's hear what they say.

Rechtub and Indy, sorry but in truth both can not be done.
First Indonesia, a free nation its own Master, is not the home of these fleas.
Just as we need to be in Manly to catch the ferry, they come from other country,s to the starting point *shortest possible* take off point.
In that country our best effort should be spent making it worth while to catch and imprison smugglers, a reward more than their bribes.
Indy, not possible.
But unless the UNHCR stops interfering with Nations right to chose its migrants we and other country should with draw, until it takes action.
Be aware this is not what it seems, we are victims to Social Engineering, maybe not all bad.
We would be better if it was one world one people.
But we are headed for the wrong one people, not us.
So? demand a say in the UNHCR, vote out ANY politician who will not hear the masses, who will not stop the boats.
And demand NO ENTRY TO AUSTRALIA for any boat person ever.
Increase migrant, not Muslim, in take from Malaysian camps.
Indonesian camps will empty.