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Is Labor in denial or just stupid.

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@Wobbles,

Two more comments on your post:

1) <<Perhaps we should re-enact the Siev-X tragedy WHERE IT IS BELIEVED the Australian Navy were told to hold back from rescuing a sinking boat and hundreds drowned as a result.>>

What you choose to believe doesn’t count.

2) <<Remember the stand-off between the Rudd and Indonesian governments over the Tamil refugees rescued in Indonesian waters by the Oceanic Viking?The Indonesians refused to use force to make them disembark but in reality there were no Indonesian ports willing to accept them so they ended up on Christmas Island.>>


You ask us if we “remember” –but you clearly do not remember, yourself, because:

i) The Oceanic Viking “asylum seekers” (aka hijackers) were taken to Indonesian port but refused to disembark until they got their demand to be transferred to one of the affluent Western countries on their shopping list.
ii) And all the while, while they waited, we dully served then up culturally appropriate meals at OZ tax payers expense ( LOL) Here’s a picture of some of the hijackers NB the traumatized expressions on their faces!
http://www.smh.com.au/world/sri-lankan-group-in-legal-limbo-20101216-18zmy.html
iii) And what happen to them after that <<so they ended up on Christmas Island>> –really, all of them? Well here’s a different account from a source close to your heart (The Green Left) :
“On the basis of this agreement, the last of the asylum seekers left the boat on November 17 and were taken to an Indonesian detention centre. .some of the refugees have been resettled: Canada accepted two; the United States accepted 22; three were resettled in Norway, and 13 in New Zealand. Twenty were rejected by these countries, despite being recognised as refugees.But, the refugees told GLW, 17 are detained in a UN camp in Romania. The camp is a detention centre, the refugees cannot leave. Another four are detained on Christmas Island because of adverse security assessments by ASIO.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/45507

Again, Wobbles, what you choose to believe doesn’t count.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 23 September 2012 4:21:52 PM
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SPQR - To me it is a labor problem because none of them have the guts to tell Indonesia "they are the problem, they let them into there country knowing full well they are not tourists who will go home after a holiday"
quote "no Indonesian ports willing to accept them" Wrong the Government did not want them they could have told a port to accept them.

wobbles - Indonesia can rescue them but they do not want to they need to be forced too just pull all our ships and planes away, then it is there problem. we go 370 km and they can't go 45 km NO MORE AID FOR INDONESIA.

Malaysia and Indonesia ARE THE PROBLEM they can stop most of them easily but do not want to, the more that come to Australia the better for them. It weakens us monetarily and culturally both in a big way
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 23 September 2012 7:11:25 PM
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Things will improve drastically when these boats are turned around.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 24 September 2012 8:12:14 AM
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Some people are of the opinion that Indonesia can refuse those
"rescued" entry.
Under Maritime law and Solas treaties a ship should take those rescued
to the nearest port. If the sunken vessel is of Indonesian nationality
then there is even more reason to accept the crew and passengers.

That they do refuse, are grounds for Australia to put them on planes
back to Indonesia.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 24 September 2012 9:43:18 AM
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bazz - except for a few weeks ago (1 boatload were returned) all are transported to Australia because Indonesia do not even attempt to go and find them because if they found them they would have to rescue them. 45km and they did not go we went 370km from Australian land 1 ship and 4 planes.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 24 September 2012 10:37:31 AM
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Labor in denial or stupid another example Quote
"a spokesman for Mr Bowen said: "We have a robust processing regime and there certainly are genuine ... refugees in the the Sri Lankan caseloads, as the statistics show."
1) Statistics can be manipulated to show whatever result you want.
2) I remember 1 was approved then later turned out to be part of a death squad.
3) Also cap't Emad was approved. Big joke that turned out to be.

Juliar your checking process does not work.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 24 September 2012 10:54:41 AM
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