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Are Upper Houses Democratic

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Paul no one is truly blind until he/she refuses to see.
You hurl slanders at us but it is you who appear not to be in touch or informed.
Tasmania is is proof Labor/Greens together brings terrible results, I to would gladly give the state to NZ just to restore good government.
My thread started before both majors finally opened their eyes.
No better evidence for getting rid of upper houses and preferential voting ever existed.
FAMILY FIRST! bigoted fools hiding behind a name, not unlike the greens, are to get preferences NO PARTY WANTS TO GIVE THEM.
To assist in fighting the radical greens,800 dead at sea,greens alone have not moved will not move are you content to sponsor those deaths?
For get the Liberal/conservatives, your mad party has the power to circumvent them.
But from 12% want ONLY TOTAL CONTROL!
RIP Greens? NO!good riddance!
But Australia will be a fa better country without the loony left in charge.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 9 July 2012 5:41:07 AM
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"To assist in fighting the radical greens,800 dead at sea,greens alone have not moved will not move are you content to sponsor those deaths?"

Come off it, stop trying to blame the Greens for Labors and the Coalitions intransigent attitude to asylum seekers. Both the Labor bimbo and the coalitions mad monk, claim "off shore processing is the way to go." With their interest in political point scoring both refused to compromise with each other. Both parties in government, with their bind allegiance to US militarism in Afghanistan and Iraq have been partly responsible for helping create a refugee problem. You have the audacity to want to blame the Greens, now willing to use the deaths of poor men, women and children to score cheap political points. Wake up fella these peoples lives are worth a lot more than that. I am not proud that our politicians could not see past the ends of their noses, Green ones included, and come up with a humanitarian solution. ALL Australians are to blame for this human tragedy.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 July 2012 7:36:08 AM
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@ Paul 1405,

<<ALL Australians are to blame for this human tragedy.>>

Total nonsense .

It has little to do with US militarism/ involvement and lots & lots & lots to do with the knowledge that it is easy to con your way into OZ.

"Australia gives citizenship if you have a good story…They will know you are lying, but as long as you say the same thing whatever they ask you, you will be fine."
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/18/afghanistan-people-smugglers-taliban-europe

If any one group is to blame in this country, it’s the refugee industry (of the which the Green’s form one of the central pillars), who at every turn have done all they could to frustrate immigration controls.

ALL Green's are to blame for this human tragedy-- and ALL Green's will be responsible for a host of other tragedies/problems that will occur in OZ society over the coming years as a result of poorly controlled immigration.
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 9 July 2012 9:10:00 AM
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Labor and the coalition say "off shore processing is the way to go." Yep, that's what both major parties representing the vast majority of Australians want, Paul1405, and it's what the country needs. Greens position on this will only hold until the next election, which they are paving the coalition's path towards winning. That the Greens choose not to do something about stopping the 4% mortality rate AND stopping the coalition policy of forcing boats back being border protection policy in a year's time is inexplicably stupid. They should accept the constraints they have to work within and achieve the best outcome, which obviously is not their ideal outcome, but who's got that luxury in this affair?
Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 9 July 2012 10:33:16 AM
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For all their posturing on the asylum seeker issue I fail to see where Labor or the Coalition have moved an inch. They both come out with plenty of platitudes and political point scoring but fail to address the issue with any form of humanitarian sincerity. As Labor are the government of the day I would think people would expect the Coalition to support Labor policy on a bipartisan bases for the good of all as they share common ground on 'offshore processing'.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 July 2012 11:50:47 AM
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"I would think people would expect the Coalition to support Labor policy on a bipartisan bases for the good of all as they share common ground on 'offshore processing"

Paul1405, surely you don't blame the coalition, they'd only be culpable if they gave a damn about refugees. Can't you see the wood for the trees, oh babe in the woods?
Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 9 July 2012 12:17:32 PM
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