Yes Belly, I see the NSW ALP secretary is now advocating putting the greens last on HTVs, as is Victoria in a coming by-election.

Yep and I did notice another lie by Gillard about turning the boats around. She was for it, now agin it.

Has anyone else noticed how the greens use the populist notion of enviromental issues to gain power, when really they want their socialist agenda. They talk about other parties being populist but they have been riding on a green popular thing for years. Have we not seen them, in Koala suits, collecting money and indoctrinating school kids about save the trees and save the whales. They never mention their socialist policies, like legalizing drugs, lowering the age of consent or dismantling our defence forces. They only have got their present positions from Labor preferences.

That could be changing

Banjo another one of your wrong comments:
"Have we not seen them (Greens), in Koala suits, collecting money"
If you stopped and asked you would find the person in the 'koala suit' is from the Wilderness Society a registered charity.
Belly may remember one of his boys ran for a fringe group Peter Garrett for the Nuclear Disarmament Party as a senate candidate in NSW.

Belly said "at last! both majors saying they must distance them selves from Greens, ripper! to use an old term to express joy."
Banjo said "Yes Belly, I see the NSW ALP secretary is now advocating putting the greens last on HTVs,"

A note on the 2010 Federal election
"out of the 72 seats Labor won, 48 of those were reliant on Greens preferences for victory." A tight preference swap in key marginal seats was the reason Labor got back into office. Labor is well aware that without a tight swap of preferences in key marginals they are history. With an open Green HTV the distribution of preferences moves 2% to the Liberals in key marginals enough to win them the seat.
I ask who needs who the most?

Through each election cycle I get 5 chances to cast a vote over who gets to hold power over my life.

Once at a Council level, twice at a State level, and twice at a Federal level.

I have on many occasion voted for a different party in the upper house compared to who got my vote in the lower. Many of my fellow Australians do just that. Many will also vote for a different party federally than the one they supported at a State level.

I am of the mind that Australian voters as an aggregate get it right nearly all the time. In fact I can't really think of an election in the last thirty years that with hindsight can be said to have been the wrong call.

Some of the posters here want to strip a tier of government away and thus deny me and other Australians 2/5ths of our voting power. Usually this push comes from rusted on voters who have the temerity to think they are supporters of democracy.

Well, it ain't going to happen without a fight.

Yes to every word Banjo,Paul understand I am extremely glad the tide has turned.
For your leader to claim to be the party of mainstream Australia, is both a bigger lie than Abbott ever told and funny.
But the emergence of BOTH majors growing determination to sideline the radical greens strengthens my case here.
As Wilkie sit in the house on Labor/Liberal preferences.
And the single lower house green on Liberal ones.
May I ask how many truly understood, in the end, they voted green/independent?
Our system stinks.
Labor has put its enemy DLP- in Victoria's upper house.
Liberals a green in the lower.
Now? we are forced to put family first, good name , awful policy's, to stop the waste,votes ending up in greens do nothing hands.
Sick of independents? Greens? are you AS concerned with FF as I am?
Vote for your lower house first pick, if no other way to isolate the above exists?
Preference your other major!
3 elections and the minors are gone.
But the table cloth senate?
How do we avoid voting for the crumbs? take your time, NEVER FOLLOW a party HTV that asks you to put an idiot in the upper house, better still write and demand we get rid of the rat hole upper houses.

Belly, you claim to 'love the Labor Party' yet continually post like a blind conservative. I must question if you are not a wolf in sheep's clothing. You direct all your vitriol at the Greens, with your latest load of rubbish being conservatives lets form a pact and get rid of any dissenting voices. Give the people a 'choice' between Conservative Party A led by Tweedle Dum and Conservative Party B led by Tweedle Even Dumer.
Get in touch with the political reality in Australian politics refer to my post about preferencing in key marginal seats. Come next election Labor will again be begging for Green preferences in key seats, offering senate preferences in return. You have this idea that 100% of Green voters preference Labor. I hate to shatter your delusion its not the case my old salt, with preferences directed to Labor its usually around 80% with an open ticket its drops to around 76-78% and with a Liberal preference it can be as low as 70%

Paul 1405 it mate is you, not me who must try to make contact with the real word.
The Labor right, in my view is right.
Post our Socialist left days, long gone,it was my faction, Center Unity, ALP right, that made election victory possible.
We did not put rings in the nose of voters, they forced us to wake up.
Labor is and always will be the party of Social Justice, and achievable change.
Your lost ex ALP very far left radicals call for the past, a past that never worked and never won over the voters.
I am truly full of joy! to see my predictions coming true,both sides saying target the do nothing good greens.
I need say not one word, you two leaders on TV, one quite good looking but not much else to say in her favor, the leader? best not, are doing it for me.
I look for todays mums and dads 30 year olds to one day take the ALP in to new places, yes if Liberals insist on being Conservatives their ground too.
As the world takes on its growing problems, population pollution all types, an answer to when growth has to stop, it will need steady mainstream hands to fix.
Paul you can duck and weave but not escape Greens are on the nose for most.
You would be hurt, deeply to see next Sunday week your stall for upcoming council election subject to avoidance at any costs or very rude remarks from ? ordinary Australians.
Your party in last NSW election said it would not direct its preferences to LABOR did you cry then?
Not carry greens is as good as it gets for me.