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Are Upper Houses Democratic

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After demonstrating its incapacity to make any reasonable contribution to the refugee issue, it's time to excise the Green scum. They show no desire to team with the Labor party which must now put forward its own "green" policies more thoughtfully and forcefully to pries the left vote away from radical usurpers.

No deal with the Greens. Short term pain, long term gain.

Enjoy your time left in the sun, Paul1405.
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 8 July 2012 1:48:13 PM
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Very true as always.
But I think Labor has the runs on the board already in protecting the environment.
Bob Carr has been dragged in the mud then back again, for declaring more National parks in NSW than one government ever did.
Now reality has moved in, to push the underlining truth, ALP must confront the greens.
We are seeing the beginning of the end for greens.
Had they even understood, clearly they do not, politics and the lever and fulcrum effect they would have talked on boat people.
They could have taken say 3.000 now from both Indonesia and Malaya, for letting Labors bill pass.
They in effect and knowingly, did further harm to Labor.
And seem to say we would rather Abbott get his way than Labor.
A bunch of noddy's who have had their day? yes and that is fine by me.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 8 July 2012 3:52:18 PM
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Ho hum, talk about being out of touch. You guys are from cloud cuckoo land. You are obviously not politically active as you have no idea of what goes on in the real political world. You failed to answer the preference question. Belly of the 72 seats Labor hold in the federal parliament 48 were won on Green preferences. Like NSW and Queensland Labor, Federal Labor is heading for a political disaster, again blaming everyone else except them self. Like in the NSW election conservative labor voters will desert on mass, the ALP primary vote will drop 10 points, it will all flow to the Liberals. The Greens will hold their vote at around 12%. Labor will lose at least 30 seats, and your talking about "lets get the Greens", okay Nero keep fiddling while Rome burns.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 8 July 2012 4:49:06 PM
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Labor, to this point, have not openly disparaged the Greens leaving a perception in the public mind that the Greens party is just the left wing of Labor. Greens radicalism has clearly led to a negative outcome for Labor, which must now review its policies and arrangements so it can go to the next election openly seeking a ruling majority, just as the coalition will.

Many Greens are disgusted with their own party over the refugee issue and will return to Labor. If Greens give even a hint that they'll play politics with the coalition, that will work further in Labor's favour.

The Greens have ensured that Labor has no other choice but to follow this path. Milne is an intransigent dope and her party will be sidelined by the electorate as a result. Lemmings.
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 8 July 2012 6:35:33 PM
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"Many Greens are disgusted with their own party over the refugee issue and will return to Labor" Get this from your crystal ball Luciferase.
Get real the Greens only have 3 senators up for re-election next time 1 each in Tas, WA and SA. We will retain Tas and most likely SA lose WA to the coalition but have a good chance in Vic and NSW to take 1 of Labor where they have 3 up as do the coalition who would need 57.1% to get 4 up. The coalition can realistically think they can win 3 extra senate seats 2 from Labor 1 in Tas and 1 in Qld and 1 from the Greens in WA. i can see the senate after next time being Coalition 37 Labor 27 Greens 10 Ind 1 DLP 1. The big senate winner might be Nick Xenophon. My crystal ball.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 8 July 2012 8:02:03 PM
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I'll concede Tasmania. Deliverance country treads its own self-interested, blood-sucking path. The sooner it becomes a part of New Zealand the better.

The Greens have shown what a self-serving mob they are. While they remain babes in the political woods their innocence is now lost along with any latitude they had to be irresponsible. Real human blood is now on their hands.

Greens will be marooned by electors returning to Labor. Cling to your dreams Paul1405
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 8 July 2012 9:21:00 PM
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