Paul yet again you answer with bile and nastiness.
I will not need either to rebut you.
Robo is as honest as the day is long, a great campaigner he ran the anti WORK CHOICES bus around NSW.
He lead us in the anti power privatization campaign and he is a man of Merritt.
Your task is to ask why, from across all party's all factions your party is falling.
Why are the two women and part time politician Brant [sponsored by Liberal preferences] not hearing middle Australia.
Emptying the party pee pot on my head will change nothing.
For every green, surely even you will admit, two Belly's exist.
I will not preference you last.
Not if a Nazi stands.
I want every Australian voter to have the right to vote just once in both houses.
I too want next election, education to those same voters what happens in each house with preferences.
The table cloth senate ticket, let us preference our selves.
By marking across top line EG labor then preference liberal or Nats greens last!~
Vote for democracy.Bravely front the electorate , they are worth the trust not however again your lost tribe

Think it is time to close the old girl down.
I found it interesting, many thought I was a bit mad.
67 years of following politics as thoughtfully as my NRL it has some times left me wondering.
Party's inheriting the * Balance of power* include the DLP Democrats, did One Nation? early in the morning.
Greens, individuals? heaps of the from Labor traitors to Family First once Joe put an old fool in calling him Labor!
We let the term hung Parliament, give OUR POWER second place to some real fools, not one more so than our current Greens.
Is that what we wanted, are upper houses today what we thought they would be?
I have my doubts, I too doubt most voters understand preferential voting.
So at least, one day I hope my thoughts will be considered as reform looks to serve the most, not the least.
Upper houses could do worse, as a start, by letting the top section distribute our preferences.
Marking every square is madness!
Thanks see you in another thread.
Interesting times just around the corner.

whether or not we have an upper house is not the the real question. The real question is whether we can develop a party-free community involvement in the governing process which helps politicians to know and do what voters want

Voterland good morning.
Answer is clearly no never ever.
And too why would we think it would in any way be different than this THING we call hung Parliament.
In truth your question is unreeled to what most actually want.
We vote as we do to keep the other side out.
And given ten twenty or more other sides I see a nightmare of dealing things few want in your thought.