Paul nice effort, your changing the subject, diverting the conversation, much like a Blue Cattle dog.
They tend to change point of attack if they are not winning a fight.
Proud! that is what I am of not being afraid to speak out against the wrong in my party.
You are as unlikely EVER do that as Shadow Ministers is.
SOLIDARITY! a word dragged fourth from a filthy pit, that is used not for the good of a party.
But to hide its failures.
You can target me, or the problem.
You have watched my contempt grow, from handing out your HTV in 2007, to total distrust and dislike now.
You seem unable to see Australia came with me on that journey.
You stand by that mob of vandals in Marickville council, who want to bar a Jewish Chocolate shop!
Nazi ACTIONS! from an extremist Australian Greens cell.
If I was you, and thankfully I am not.
And its too late and will not work.
I would petition the Greens membership,asking for change in leadership and policy's including boat people.
To avoid the death ,yes impending and now unavoidable death, of your party.
You however continue to insult me and my party, it amuses you ok by me.
How about getting one of those Pôrto lues?
Make a great place for the 2016 AGM of greens.

The Labor Party in NSW has reportedly suspended three controversial members, including retiring Health Services Union (HSU) East branch general secretary Michael Williamson.
Former state energy minister Ian Macdonald and former Drummoyne MP Angela D'Amore, both of whom have been hauled before the state's corruption watchdog, have also had their memberships put on ice.

More blood letting in NSW. Belly, do you like any of these 3 Labor luminaries?

I'm struggling to find anyone in the Labor Party you actually like. On the other hand I like everyone in the Greens.

Very old news from Belly "You stand by that mob of vandals in Marickville council, who want to bar a Jewish Chocolate shop!
Nazi ACTIONS! from an extremist Australian Greens cell."

Tell me Belly, which you wont, Why did the LABOR PARTY members on Marickville Council at the time vote in support of the boycott. Are the ALP members on the council extremist as well? Please no more mumbo jumbo posts about cattle dogs and meat pies etc.

Good stuff Paul 1405, continue showing your pain at the grievous self inflicted pain of your party.
Continue too to insult me for targeting filth within my party.
While very much as do Conservatives, hiding those in yours.
12% of the total vote, that was your high water mark, face it, it is not me who condemned you lost tribe to the past.
They did that themselves.
MATE! had you shared mine, and Bob Browns concerns about your NSW branch, you would have been serving your party.

It shows how far to the extreme right some in the Labor Party have shifted. They are now prepared to preference Hitler types over a moderate progressive. Then again they may not have shifted at all. In fact Labor do endorse right wing ratbags, I met one ALP LC candidate at the last NSW election and his views were somewhere right of Genghis Khan. Fortunate in the ALP slaughter that ensued Atilla The Hun or one of his Labor mates failed miserably to win a seat in the LC, by the way Belly that final seat went to The Greens. To be fair, the other Labor bloke with him at the time, someone I know well, When I asked where did you get this Bozo, confided to me, from the 'Catholics' and wished he would P Off. I thought so with his letter from Pell he wanted to show me. I told him what he could do with his 'Pell Letter'.
At elections, I get on well with members of other parties, Labor, Liberal, Happy Clappers the lot, but not this fella.

I started the thread to express a view upper houses and preference vote is not democratic.
I understand, but disagree with, the reasons and thoughts of minor party voters.
I too understand some want room for new party's to form, and do not think my view stops that.
I think the greens are extremist and radicals.
I think as they found more Labor crumbs from our recent decay, they became more so.
And I think Australia is not a country wanting them in power, or any one like that.
The debate came mid thread, We never knew it would.
But I had wished for it from mid 2008.
I dream of my ALP continuing its journey to wards its future, believe totally it will arrive, rather it be sooner than later.
FUTURE? one not controlled alone by power brokers and Union heads,both movements suffer on that road.
Not taking that word,once so proudly used, SOLIDARITY to hide filth and wrong, such as NSW.
My party should always help those who need it,but not ever forget to help a hand up not a hand out works better.
We can never return to class warfare, our opponents never stop theirs.
We should counter Punch there not king hit.
Is it wrong to love my party, fear our current opponents enough to say what I think?
No.
But in Paul's words, you will see an inability to understand, his party has fallen on its owns word, lecturing us, middle Australia, because?
We are nothing like them!

Belly, I was sorry to hear that the majority of delegates couldn't make it to the ALP's NSW conference. Something about Barry wouldn't give them day release. please tell me how is Milton, Ian , Craig what's her name. Is it today Julia hands out the annual Rex Jackson memorial award at the conference. I think Michael Williamson got that one in the bag, but there will be plenty of stiff competition.
Well, well, well look who supports offshore processing for asylum seeker none other than the Labor leader in NEW Little Johnny Robo.
Is that Doug Cameron a commo. keeps calling everyone 'comrade'.
I'm sure I can detect some Russian in that accent of his.