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Social Welfare and boat refugees

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Like many others, I have little regard for the Greens. Many of their policies do not bear close scrutiny.

The information provided by this writer is interesting, particularly as some of it may be new to readers. It certainly presents a context which has been missing from debate.
http://theconversation.edu.au/six-issues-missing-from-the-asylum-seeker-debate-7947
Posted by Danielle, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:33:45 AM
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Danielle, I could respond to several inter-related points in your link but will focus on "While we need to grieve for the lives lost and seek to prevent future loss we should do so by keeping in perspective the scale of Australia’s asylum seeker “problem” and enable less reactionary approaches to refugee protection and irregular border crossing."

Greens want the end of the zero-sum described in point 5 meaning we are left with a limitless immigrant intake as irregular maritime arrivals (IMA) grow. Why should Greens expect the majority to accept this as a principle, irregardless of scale?

Why should Greens expect us to watch with muted concern while IMA grow exponentially with the rolling out of their welcome mat that ensures the safety of boat journeys (or air journeys, however asylum seekers see fit to arrive) and removal of impediments to arrival, such as considering risk profiles in visa issuing practices, before granting the provision of rights to live and work in the community while awaiting assessment. The pull factor will result in a huge influx of genuine and non-genuine asylum seekers and the processing of their claims and meeting of their needs upon arrival will quickly grow beyond our ability to manage, and afford.

Greens seem to want us to sacrifice our sovereignty for the sake of all suffering humanity, without limit. At the very least, they seem to be asking us to trust them to manage something perhaps reaching short of this. It is arrogant for them to expect this of us, and they should have acted today in the way I described in my earlier posts, rather than in idealistic hope, to gain what they could for refugees.

Even if the zero-sum game were maintained, how can they justify the granting of residency to those who have the resources to get here ahead of those who don't?

As you wrote, many Greens policies do not bear close scrutiny.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 29 June 2012 2:21:50 AM
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Luciferase

"Greens seem to want us to sacrifice our sovereignty for the sake of all suffering humanity, without limit."

To be honest, the posturing of the Greens about 'humanity' hasn't the real ring of sincerity; at the very least there is no measured and thoughtful consideration of all issues ...

As with their policies in general,lots of smoke and mirrors.

For the electorate, it is like being handed a poisoned chalice and told: "Now Drink!
Posted by Danielle, Friday, 29 June 2012 3:03:58 AM
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On any issue any at all, the Greens are as useless as a fence post.
So too however are SOME, I include my respected Friend Lexi, who see the pain but refuse to see the impacts.
Tell me, do we agree these REFUGEES I question that term, have more cash than the average?
Those haveing spent ten years in Malaysia because they can not afford to pay criminals are they more worthy?
Have we ANY RIGHT to first interview those we take.
Why do these folk come without papers.
Who will you hold responsible for past and future deaths at sea.
If 200 die before Parliament sits?
Is it better to die at sea than sit and wait?
Now, here in this thread I have been personally insulted once again.
By a person I REFUSE TO TALK TO.
My crime? saying what I truly think!
Yet believe me I refuse to do that too, my view of my protagonist is insulting,truly held, but not to be written, because it should not.
However Abbott is in the habit of a mad monk, one avoiding the truth, followed by SOME unable to see hear or speak it.
Last, with respect, no government of any shade will ever again be elected if it can not stop these boats.
Harsh? but true we are sick of the whole thing enough Canberra fix it.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 June 2012 5:18:15 AM
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see the pain but refuse to see the impacts.
Belly,
That is one of the most impacting assertions I've read here. What a spot-on observation.
Posted by individual, Friday, 29 June 2012 7:14:13 AM
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"kuk-ack-kook-uk-ack-cukack,"
Lexi,
No, not the kookaburras. I'm referring to the inhabitants who left us the many cave paintings etc from 40000 + years ago.
The Aborigines aren't the real Aboriginals, there were people here before them.
Posted by individual, Friday, 29 June 2012 8:57:24 AM
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