RObert you are an insightful intelligent person, and quite right.
Nothing can change without an understanding that what you say is true.
But every journey starts with the first step.
Paul, nothing is impossible, I like to think, mate I like to hope, those you and I took over the fight from, never intended welfare to be a gift for the un worthy.
Rechtub,in time, even now for many cash is not in use, in that respect the card is not my concern.
It is your wide sweeping intention ALL SHOULD BE MONITORED.
The NT system can/should be in place for ANY FAMILY not truly looking after the kids.
What evidence do you have every one of those who dream are on SS do you understand how a dream can lift a poor man/woman?
Why do you think the poor are bludgers?
We pay couples or singles to have children,then to feed those kids, sometimes it is Forster parents doing the feeding and being paid.
Good folk can re charge welfare, is it evil to say to kids in their third year of no job today cut wood and mow the lawn for the old folk down the road?
Would putting a fence around some of our super, as pension be evil? we milk the cow to death if we stay as it is.
Or flog its skin from it if we take your path.

The comments about legal capacity and managing our own affairs are interesting.

I've recently gone back to being a child support payer after a change in child residency. I have no rights in that to manage my own affairs in regard to what's spent on my own child or even any say that the money that's taken from me is actually used on my son. I'm not talking there about money that's being earned by others and given to me being quarantined, rather money I've worked for and earned being taken from me at about double the cost of meeting the real costs of keeping him housed, fed, clothed, educated, entertained, presents etc and given to someone who chose not to contribute at all to those costs when my son was in my care.

Just why is it such a big issue to consider quarantining welfare money when as a society we have a large government agency dedicated to far worse to the earnings of others?

Two wrongs don't make a right but I suspect that many of those most horrified at the idea of quarantining welfare money for the care of kids would also be some of the strongest supporters of the current farce passing itself off as a child support system. Perhaps that's an area to start with the cards, the money is clearly supposed to be for the children not the adult but there is no current provisions in place to ensure that is how it's used.

R0bert

Well a huge thing, not closely related in my view to welfare but just as you say quite wrong.
In my youth fathers disappeared, just that rather than pay.
It has swung too far, just saying that will see me convicted.
But it remains the truth, courts hearing evidence the wife has said the kids father is not the bloke paying, have refused DNA tests.
Re married mums, much better off than the dad get cash and often keep the kids away from their dad.
I often think, unpalatable as some will find it, SOME women know the rules inside out and farm men milk them dry.

Dream on, while I accept some of your points, to me, a person who is on long term benefit, gets a job start, turns up with crap in their face, purple hair, that's if they turn up all, then looses that job, on purpose, is as much a welfare fraud as any other.

Unfortunately, to stop the waste, others on welfare get caught up in the state amd while I accept that's a shame, the money was not theirs in the first place, so just be happy to have it provided for you.

The least they can do is have no problems with how it's to be spent.

Every welfare dollar I'll spent, is in a way, fraud in it's self.

Robert, I have long held the view that ALL CHILD SUPPORT should be paid directly to the government and, the carer should have to go to Medicare, with ligit receipts to receive the refund/re enbursment.

This would stop the waste and address much of the anguish that comes from child support, as few contributors feel their dollars are being well spent on their kids.

And belly, for the last time, I don't think all welfare recipients are bludgers.

Get it!

*RehTub*

I think that the example of the sort of individual that you describe is of the kind that ought be subject to micro-management.

As to how the system currently deals with such individuals I am not sure. I suppose I could look it up and see if there is anything published on their site or in the act.

*RObert*

I believe that if there is any reasonable basis regarding a question of inproprietory visa vi how your hard earnt child maintenance is being spent then that would constitute grounds for a family court action. They appear to be quite well set up for self represented parties and there is a significant amount of information on their web site.

*RehTub*

As you may be aware, the fact that the likes of *RObert* have to pay child maintenance ensures that "F.amily T.ax B.enefit" direct payments are limited.

*Belly*

As to why your ALP chooses not to micro-manage everyone and continues to administer the racially discriminatory policies (for which we have been rightly criticised by the U.N.) introduced by the guvment of that foul and loathsome little troll j.howard is no doubt a political one, though I'd be happy to be corrected, and indicates to me that they are more concerned about their potential voters than they are about ensuring kids aren't neglected by parents who misuse the bulk of their welfare payments on substance and the like or something equally irresponsible. That of course is one reason why I prefer the *Greens* and begs a question or two regarding your loyalties to them given you profess to be so concerned about the welfare of kids does it not?

;-)

*RehTub* you too ought consider why the noalition didn't do the sensible economic thing in this regard and again, I will defer to *Belly* and others on this one, but suspect that it may have something to do with swinging voters.

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*Paul* as for the *Greens,* what exactly would they do? As said, its all very well to advocate for bolstering the base, but from where in the budget will the $AU come from?

Will they go so far as to spook the ranks of the many educated bureaucrats that vote for them? So far, I suspect not, which is perhaps why they leave the details open ended, but again, I would be happy to be corrected on that.