DreamOn that mostly seems like the same tired old excuses for an utterly unjust system. Most of the payers I've known who object to the CSA scheme are happy to support their kid's, they are being hurt badly by a massively unbalanced system.

You are still apparently missing the bit that's relevant to this thread.
Many of those who are horrified at the idea of welfare recipients with a history of not providing for their kids having some of that welfare quarantined so that it can only be used on the kid's seem to have no trouble with quarantining someone's earned income and then giving it to someone else with no checks and balances in place.

I'm not trusted to provide adequate finances for the care of my son but someone with a known of history of failing to do so must be trusted - what a strange logic that becomes.

R0bert

Ar belly, just can't help yourself can you, just had to hit me with another insult.

I must remind you, my father was as much a unionist, labor lover as they came, so I have the heads up on brain washed unionist, labor supporters old mate.

As for welfare, is say again, it's a 'gift' not a given right and one dollar wasted is simply one dollar too much.

Rechtub self assurance in the wrong hands can be counter productive.
Show me my insult to you in my last post, I referred to your description and agreed they exist.
I went on to point out some times looks are no measure of worth.
Now you claim your dad was brain washed or knew little compared to you.
You may be wrong.
You have launched some shaky ships here of late.
Nearly blaming our carbon tax and NBN for an international firm laying off 15.000 workers.
Mate no hard feelings, but get a grip, you put your views here,I do too, do you want assurance I agree with you?
Your recent unloading of the shops will take time to settle in to, but this is a debating forum.
Would your father, or mine want to change SS so much it is punitive?
Leave your food cards out of it what is the answer if not a return to tax payers for at least unemployment benefits.
Why do we pay parents to have children but restrict European migration?
At what stage do we put P-C away and put the kids first.

Belly, ...In the real world the one we all live in such folk as that painted fool Rechtub talks about exist.

So you're saying this is not yet another insult.

As for my dad, I love him very much, still talk to him, although he's gon, wil never forget him.

But, he, like some here could see no wrong in labor or the unions.

rehctub, I think Belly was talking about Mr Tatts and purple hair when he refers to the painted fool.

That's how I read it anyway.

R0bert

*RObert* your comments remind me of those of *AntiSeptic* whose writing also was characterised by a distinct poverty of content.

You see, its all very well to claim that the system is unjust and unbalanced but without explaining why that is so, you leave the ignorant none the wiser.

As for your reference to your wife as having a known history of squandering your money, assumabley on her own personal interests and not your kids, again, you have thus far neglected to substantiate it.

I suspect that you would do well to have a good read of the departments web site, its guide and if required, have a look at the act, and if things are as bad as you claim them to be, you may be pleased to find that there are remedies, which go all the way to the power of taking custody away from your wife.

Alternatively, well, you wouldn't be the only person in your circumstances who is disaffected, all the more so in those cases where custody is restricted and the ex has a new partner.

Thereafter, in those instances where a divorced or separated parent with custody is neglectful or similar, then I would be in favor of the responsible parent regaining custody as opposed to the irresponsible parent being micro-managed.

Of course, if both parents are irresponsible, then they should both be micro-managed or alternatively in the worst of cases, then the kid/s gets put up for adoption or fostered out.

In any event, I think that upon examination that you find the system already has in built mechanism to deal with these types of situations, irrespective of the fact that you do not appear to be aware of it.

*Belly*

What's best for the kids is not to vote for either of the main stream parties.