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Blue Collar view HSU/ALP

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Well it is time, indeed it is.
Unions and the ALP can kid them selves but this is a Crisis.
HSU? only fair and honest thing is to disband the union.
Re higher its best, re name it,even look at cutting fees, always, every union look at cutting fees.
Academics,suits,university graduates.
Serving not as union managers,but even officials.
How would you feel, a life time unionist, battling to pay the kids school fees.
And seeing Craig Thomson suited up,charged with living the life of a movie star, on your fees.
I feel sick, betrayed and sick.
While I sat opposite Williams or what ever in Labor conferences few there,came from my back ground.
Blue collar workers ask every day, what is going on?
The signs are clear,make no mistake,those in power are masking this issue,pretending it is a one off.
Time gentlemen please, for change salad sandwiches, and telephone hook ups hold in the highest regard member ship fees.
Cut fees but increase services.
Get out and visit every member twice a year, recruitment comes with service.
For further discussion?
While gems,giants like Shorten Combet Swan come from unions so too did this middle class grub.
So too do some of our most infamous .
Hands off the ALP recent actions have taken us from the joy of 2007 to near death to come, because you installed Gillard and lack the guts to say.
*We got that wrong*
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 6:18:57 PM
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Put your self, even briefly, in the boots of an average Australian Worker ALP voter.
Those like me,bought up to think of our two support groups, party and union as our safety net.
Tell me, an informed person, why NSW had to happen.
Tell me why the promising and growing NSW Country Labor had to be MURDERED.
Why our Sussex Street became the home of suits without heads, with zero care or understanding of me and my fellow true believers.
Why HSU was even considered the home of worthy ALP federal members.
On my wall, hangs with great pride, a photo of our greats,Bob Carr,Kim Beasley, at our $5.000 table,Celebrating the life of a Labor great.
I have told of that night, here before.
About the swarm of YUPPIES middle class upwardly mobile couples circling those who could put their next step of the ladder under the left foot for them.
Lawyers academics, Green like in their dreams of an Australia Blue collar wearers are as less interested in as the whole country.
What has become of the ALP, its parent the Union movement?
I remember, the feeling of isolation,the thought those Sussex Street bound couples thought of us as filth! in the midst of MY ALP!
A dance took place! as they tried to put every inch they could between us and them,and we did the same.
In part, some unions, have be come the bosses, others are stuck in a past that not longer exists,class warfare.
Why must Labor fish in union ponds for its members, and land ugliness like HSU refugees.
Why is every Blue collar person aware no one wanted or wants Gillard but not the party.
We who built this party,who give still to both legs of our support groups.
Are refugees from the self interest that has taken our dream away.
Reform? what will be left to build on?
The she will be alright, we know what we are doing, search for a cliff to jump off,is insulting the rank and file.
Give us a leader give us reform give my party back.!
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:26:35 AM
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Many are weary of politics, many I suspect are weary of me yet I intend to continue this thread, as I have others.
Others that did not bring a lot of comments other than mine.
WHY? unpopular as it makes me I fear, no other word will do, GREENS.
Only they grow in ALP rubbish.
Watched my ALP for two decades plus, lost in a land voters did not even want to visit.
Blue collar workers have had a gutful of Labor.
First Labor, and Unions long before expecting them,the very life blood of both, to return, must confront that.
Nothing is wrong with the pursuit of excellence, you may never get there, but in chasing it you get better.
No mud must be thrown until you throw it at your faults.
Australia is blind, totally, to the worst EVER opposition in its history.
My party and its co owner Union power brokers, gaining the very power they abuse from the very people they betray, me and my brothers/sisters.
Are on the wrong track.
Look at Robo, John Robinson in NSW given the empty rubbish bin to rebuild he, FIRST demanded NEVER again!
When we stop defending our policy's, our wish to get the bills past the acts installed and running.
When we stop telling the drowning in fear and, despair, ALP Union foot soldiers, ground my party unions walk on, us, they do not understand?
Stop telling me how tough Gillard is, look at how hard it is to just walk on the streets, or even in a union building!
wearing our 2007 battle dress.
First fix our problems,then the rabid media may very well look at a fiasco that is less visible than ours Abbott's circus.
Union officials have for generations been hunted out of lunch rooms by unthinking claims, now HSU has shown some claims are true.
Ostriches leave vulnerable parts in the air,only action is not hiding but fixing this.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 May 2012 7:10:08 AM
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i was blue/then white..but no vieuw can change the stink
clearly big business ethics..includes unions

we hear our pm..saying let things take their course [of course]
but here we got the RESULT*..of a three year whitewash
A RESULT..not just an acusation..

LOOK AT WHO IS SAYING IT..[govt agencies
who presented a FULL in depth report on a crime]
and stil the mates stay silent..defending mates..great one..[lol]

juliar got a govt report
yet still 'sees nuthing'..[yes i agree
largly reports..are the way nuthing gets dun]
we hear so litle of the hundreds..of reports govt orders[and when it makes findings..they got smoke/fire..

not like anything jliar compares with it..
to avoid complicating a transgovt..complication
govt first orded inquired into 3 YEARS AGO..[result?]..[i see nuthin]..

let just us take its course[of course]
you can tell people by the companies..[or unions].they keep..

bring back death duties
and yes on the transfats tax
[time those who caused the rot..got whats over 3 years due..]

not sure if thats..blue or white
but when the good guys*[generic]..wear black suits..they change the shade..of their heart..to grey

i see nuthing
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 10 May 2012 7:55:52 AM
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Dear Belly,

Here's my few thoughts - for what they're worth.

My advice to you is -

Take it easy. In this toxic political environment -
don't beat yourself up
over it, and certainly don't do a "Richo" on your
party - giving the conservatives more ammo (like
they need your support).

The FWA Report is dreadful,
no one can deny that. And no one is
suggesting that things should be ignored.
However, I'm sure that due
process is taking place - and everything will get
resolved in time. However, - the media
and the Coalition are doing a good job of hammering
the government - you really don't need to add to it.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:51:00 AM
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Lexi on Tuesday night, in my former office, dieing the presentation, these words thrilled me most.
Full of Passion, as he always is, Belly blah blah.

highlighting Liberal faults is not possible, we can not get past our own.
But my actions are passionate, and come from love,for my two life time loves.
Lexi, all, know nothing is to be gained by ignoring our impending near death.
It comes.
I think, sadly know, our policy's are far better than Abbott's.
Yet the Craig Thomson affair, its 3 years of disgraceful shameful being hidden, taints us.
Slipper? his former party hide him for ten plus years.
Labor has to fight biased media, uninformed commentators let free even on the ABC to slant messages and questions.
So we need a thousand more Belly's, riding on the back of the chariots, not saying you are not a God,but saying you got that wrong.
On election I will have done everything in my power to turn the ALPs head, let it look through the eyes of its own side.
Lexi our only chance is to stop hoping the country fears Abbott, and know they fear Gillard more.
HSU? Unionism is in real danger it may never re cover from this unions lowest act any union can do.
Power brokers? HSU is a power breaker, bury the dead thing, not cover it up.
My mates are much hotter than me, I will still vote Labor .
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 May 2012 4:14:39 PM
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