Hi Belly,

One 'highest maximum during the past decade' today, Perth in 2005.

Yes, global warming is probably occurring, and perhaps some of it is man-made, on the evidence available, i.e. that world temperatures have risen by perhaps 1.6 degrees C in fifty years, and sea-levels by a couple of inches.

So IF governments do nothing for the next century, IF they stick with coal and other carbon-derivatives, IF few wind-farms or solar arrays etc. are built, IF research nowhere finds any way to develop more efficient and environmentally-friendly means of energy generation, THEN temperatures might rise by as much as 5 degrees C, and sea-levels by 30 cm, a foot.

Is that it ? Is that likely to happen, that governments do nothing everywhere ? Are there any governments anywhere doing nothing, not investing in research, not funding wind or solar power generation ?

As for rainfall increasing, for example in northern Australia, is that a bad thing ? If it is occurring, then why not invest in vast tree-planting schemes across the north, to utilise the water on the one hand, and take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere on the other ? Not to mention employment for the next century for remote Aboriginal workers ? Win-win-win !

Cheers,

Joe

Thanks Loudmouth, at last someone with a bit of sense.

Problem with a lot of people is that they want, "instant gratification." The GW problem should stop "now." It just doesn’t work like that. There was a "little ice age" between 1325 & 1850. The World has been warming up since them, not just in the last 10 years. Why panic anyway. The World & all its species will adjust anyway, it always has. Some species die off some new ones evolve. A process that has been happening ever since the first spark of life some billions of years ago.
Get used to it children. Adapt or die. Mother Nature doesn’t jump to your command. You jump to hers.
Governments are always slow on the uptake of new technology. Eventually it does happen. The Australian Government is notoriously slow. In fact it’s very much like Ayres Rock when it comes to adopting new technology. Australia invents a lot of things but shelves them. E.g., We were the World leaders in Transistor Tech. Until a Parliamentarian stood up in Parliament, held up a tiny transistor in one hand & said the transistor will never replace the valve, holding a valve in the other hand. We were the World leaders in Computer Tech until the Government said it was a waste of resources & closed it down. Australia is slow in the uptake of Alternate Energy because the Government is stuffing around with side issues.
Every house should be given a free 3kW Solar System & a Solar hot water system. That would see a sensible use of a Carbon Tax. People could see what they are getting for their money & it would be of great benefit to them. Then they could shut down the Coal fired Power industry. Loss of Jobs? Some. But it would only be a change of direction. New jobs would be created to take the place of one’s lost. Down goes the CO2 level.

hi plant,

You asked where the insults were. I don't get you. As for 'calling you out for using conspiracies' whatever that means, you may recall your post on Tuesday afternoon where you wrote 'Try and stay away from conspiracy theories'. I noly responded to that.
Talking about responding, are you still finding it too hard to respond to my questions? As in when you you wrote 'Funny how its only American scientists'. The very point I made in my first post was 'If that list is only for American scientists, how many more worldwide do not believe the myth of man-made climate change?', which you conveniently ignored. And you're still failing to reply just as you're unable to explain your claim that the bible-belt has control of American scientists.
And as for your admonition to ' keep on topic', you laughably started rambling on about Julian Assange just before that. Eh??!!
Unless you come up with an intelligible, relevant reply, I will have to ignore your future posts.

Luciferase, you also became irrelevant to the thread when you wrote 'Abbott's unstatesman-like performance following the budget and his lynch-mob approach in parliament over Slipper and Thomson must surely make even the most devout conservative blush to think this dishonest hypocrite could be the next prime-minister of Australia'.
Don't you know that the 'dishonest hypocrite' has been proven right over Thomson? Slipper will be next. Wouldn't you call Juliar a 'dishonest hypocrite'? Or are your 'Labour blinkers' firmly fitted?

Belly,
Yes the wheels have fallen off the AGW wagaon, and why?

1. Corrupyion of figures used to support claims.

2. Time has shown a lack of factual evidence.

3. Grossly exaggerated predictions of the effects of global warming.

These factors have lead to the majority of people losing faith and becoming non-believers. You, Labor and thousands of others have been duped. Scared into believing.

If you want Labor to change course, become more practical like its blue collar founders were. That means changing policies that are obviously wrong. Removing spin doctors.

Get off the now wheelless AGW wagon. Get a new leader that recognises wrong policies, speaks truth, and hitch up a new wagon based on practical outcomes for Australian people. Genuine ones.

Dear SPQR,

That the rest of the world will react to the example set by a number of countries including Australia taking concrete steps to address their emissions is certainly a leap of faith on my behalf, but we live in hope.

What isn't a leap of faith is accepting that the many billions of tonnes of extra CO2 we have pumped into the atmosphere will have an impact on global temperatures. 

I mean we can slap our gums forever but that CO2 is still there and growing.

So I ask the question again of both you and Banjo what part of the physics of that mass of CO2 do you want me to dismiss so that I can stop worrying about the issue?

Dear JayB,

Didn't think you were the type to bow out gracefully. 

You know of course when a policeman gives false evidence and is found out it often means that all his previous cases are re-examined to see if they are tainted as well.

Knowing the amount of time it would take to check each of your current offerings to see if they have been over hyped, or deceitfully added to, or purposefully misquoted, or taken entirely out of context by the anti-GW mafia, why should I or anybody else be bothered?

Proper contrition by yourself would have aided your cause since it would have given the rest of us some comfort that you were going to be at pains to make sure it never happened again.

That has not been forthcoming. 

So now when Banjo speaks of ’Grossly exaggerated’ and ’lack of factual evidence’ I think of you.

Pity.

Csteele you don't need to dismiss any part of the physics of CO2 to stop worrying about it. What you have to do is understand it.

That is have some even moderate idea of what you are talking about.

Do be careful however. If you ever do get to understand it, you will have to give up some of your dearly held misconceptions. This can lead to depression in the not so bright, or the highly opinionated.