Belly,
I do not think the construction of a couple of new prisions will bankrupt the state.

It will only take a few harsh sentences to stop this ridiculous shooting spree. Like the 55 year sentences stopped the gang rapes.

I said;
The police say these incidents are between two bikey gangs.
The moslems do not seem to be involved.
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Well it appears I could be wrong, a report this morning said that the
bikey wars are because they have been infiltrated by moslem gangs who
are more interested in the bikey drug business rather than motor bikes.

Sorry Bazz the roots still lead to the same place Nomads are linked to King of the cross and his family Lebanese.
Only one of 5 gangs is not mostly that way.
It no longer is just about race, it never was, drugs and crime drive it.
The shootings are now rapidly becoming a National problem.
As the bikers and drugs fight it out in the gold coast and Melbourne.

Bit disappointed Banjo, fact is a trend Australia wide,to contract out prisons is well under way,,due to costs.
I thought while we may not agree others may be interested in moving on, not looking to past way to fix todays issues.
Traffic fines and such should not see people sent to prison.
Surely we can get the cash, without both failing to get it and fining tax payers the costs of prison?
55 year sentencing was right and justified.
But if we put sentences up by say 10 years at the court end, it is in my view now,pressure will be put to send less to prison.
We you and I pay the bills.
So why not compulsory confiscation of cash and goods for some crimes to pay the costs?

Belly,
You are right about the compulsary confiscation of assetts of convicted drug dealers and organized crime. That should be a given.

Some may agree with you about decriminalizing drugs, I do not, untill all else has been tried. It it a fallacy to say that prisons are being privatized because of costs, the private operators are in it to make a profit. Politicians sell off our assetts simply because they have spent far more than the revenue income. Could be Telstra, the bank, water or electricity or Qantas. They need the money because they promise more than they can deliver. The money is now gone and we have nothing to show for it.

Time we got serious about our law enforcement and sentencing. Police must be really frustrated that after alll their work, the courts hand down lenient sentences. Cut a tree down without council permission and you cop a bigger penalty than the drug dealers get.

Prisons Banjo are being offered for contract even built by contractors who then work them.
Robo, the NSW ALP leader in his time as minister,after leading us in the anti power sell off campaign was given the poison chalice contract out another one.
Mate I look to constructive change,and one day we will/must revisit costs to the public and returns from crime and law enforcement welfare education and much more.
Some are linked Welfare to crime for sure, not all, not most but some.
I am thinking no different than you make punishment fit the crime.
But current system makes us be punished too.
Face it money we save can be used for better purposes.
I standby my view bigger sentences are not an answer alone just maybe facing a 55 or 35 year prison term some will kill to not be caught.

Had I left the focus on my truly held concerns at the term Multi Cultorism,we may still be waffling along.
Not much use in standing opposite one another hurling our biases at one another.
I am sorry that we did not go further in to change.
My drug thoughts are while mine bought to my attention by others.
And seemingly dead in the ground the seeds of hope and change had been planted in, for the time being, international considerations are under way, fingers crossed.
During the debate it was noted welfare under pins some crime family's.
And while reading of other crimes that some migrants/refugees have not worked from the day they came, and have had up to eleven children, on welfare from that day.
Yet we send small business men and women home?
Prisons are fenced off Liberal Labor Conservatives all hold views.
So far not one out side the fence, no one wants to try some thing new.
And, just in the life of this thread increased gun crime , it was already there, in other states is something to fear.
Biker crews are linked to drugs and middle east crime gangs.
We will continue to grumble.
But just think,even here in OLO, we could Begin a national online presentation to Parliament demanding an end to this.
Some legal minds could draft and check our words , see it independent of partisan politics and who knows what we could start.
Crime prisons welfare, all will be addressed to harsh by one side too soft by the other but what if we Australians had a say?