So it seems we are not going to talk about think link between drugs and these crimes.
I truly thought from both sides the idea of changing the way we handle drugs was worth while talking about.
And that IF the street crime and shootings are because of drugs.
And bent police and politicians come via there we could look at constructive change.

No, Belly we are not going to talk about drugs.
The reason is if you were able to remove them from the drug trade they
would go into some other racket, say protectionism, illegal immigration
money laundering, cyber crime, you name it.

So the discussion has to be what are we going to do about them ?

Belly,
I do not agree with you about decrininalizing drugs. We have not yet tried far tougher laws and serious sentencing as yet. The 55 year sentences appeared to have stopped the gang rapes. The problem is that those like Lexi, the greens and other leftists think the crimes are insignificant or 'it is only a few' and that we should accept that as part of a multicultural society.

Let me say that most immigrants do try to integrate and the next generation more so. However there are a few groups that believe that their cultural attitudes and practices come before our social standards. When we see groups that persist in this we should stop importing more of the same. I understand there are some cultural problems now with some refugee groups in Melbourne. If so we should stop importing those groups and source refugees elsewhere. There are plenty of people wanting to come here. I liked Bazz's Enstien quote,'If an experiment fails I do not continue the same experiment and expect a different outcome'

As you said the same groups have caused problems for 3 generations.
The Croats and Serbs still fight, girls are still forced to marry and suffer FGM and the Leb muslims are still the most violent and anti social group.

The fact that these groups do not integrate shows MC has failed and it should be abandoned in favour of an integration policy. The failed experiment has continued for long enough.

Bazz Banjo ok yes, we should not run away from the facts.
A group is behind the gun crime, from within that group hate comes and crime.
And if we, so very many more who think as we do, had our say,we would not be able to send them home.
They are home.
Look deeper at why I think we should be brave.
I FEAR Social Engineering is behind Multi Cultures.
I know FIRMLY a great difference exists, between post ww1 and two Migration.
I know too, the children and grand children of those folk share our concerns OPENLY.
Let us face the challenge consider the possibility's of our own Social Engineering.
Change drug laws,Change aspects of welfare payments.
Change prison, we just must understand the costs of prisons not grow them by the hundreds.
Already that cost impacts on sentencing,some who clearly should be in prison are not.
A sure and certain fact, PC is threatening free speech,in the hands of uninformed it is extremely dangerous.
Banjo, the horrible crimes against women and girls you dislike so much bring little interest, as fear of offending ,PC,strangles our humanity.
Let us drive achievable change,that is best possible outcome change not perfection.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/five-sydney-shootings-in-four-hours-as-police-probe-bikie-gang-turf-war-link-20120417-1x48m.html
This is now an epidemic, it will get very much worse.
Banjo, if we get harder, not control, the costs of prison will bankrupt the state.

The police say these incidents are between two bikey gangs.
The moslems do not seem to be involved.