Good night boys, cuddle up.

Ah bonmot, thank you. It takes a while but eventually you concede in the fsce of logic and reality. I think this is 182 or 183 threads that you have abandoned in the last three years because you were bereft of responses. Keep up the good work.

Night Night, tosser.

Paul,
You owe me a new keyboard. I coughed coffee all over it when I read your assumption that I am a member of Fred Niles mob. Just like all green lefties, you have not a clue about anything. Stop speculating and read what I have written. My background and present situation is not the issue here.

Belly,
Old mate, I see on another thread here that the lefties are now seeking more control of your party. I guess they would class you as a dinosour and old guard that prevents them taking control. That won't please you but to be expected that the left ignore their own shortcomings and try to get some advantage. I see Lexi is flying the kite of the ALP amalgamating with the Greens, no wonder you are ill.

When I was a kid, my local fed MP was Allan Fraser, solid ALP and good bloke. That was when MPs were genuine and trustworthy, a mans word was his bond. He was upfront and had integrity. Why am I now cynical of the major parties? because they no longer have that integrity, they lie and deceive, would sell their mother for a few votes. I would like the majors to be open and honest like Allan Fraser, but sadly that will not happen. He would be horrified if he was accused of lieing, now they just carry on. You are not that much younger than me, you may know of him.

Can you have a one party state and still have some form of democracy? In a state where the party ideology is paramount but different points of view as to direction and implementation of the ideology are tolerated. Elections are held, candidates nominate, outline their party 'policy' . Not withstanding all candidates are from the one party and embrace the same overall ideology of the party, each is offering a different 'policy' as to direction and implementation.
Is this all that different from a society that has say two major parties who's ideology and philosophy's are much the same, plus a load of small parties who have no real chance of power, but offer some alternative to the big two. With the big two there is only a slight difference in emphases and implementation when it comes to 'policy' both offer much the same thing. Is the second case all that different from the first?

You labor supporters make me laugh.

NSW was the first message, now QLD, you have to admit that the labor brand is about as wanted as a dropped pie right about now.

In the 2010 fed election, they went from about 85 seats back to 72 or so, and in anyone's eyes that's a flogging.

Enjoy it while you can, you can make very excuse you like, but the fac is they are doomed, as the only potential leader they had, is now swarn to the back bench, however, that to could be just another lie.

Now as for CN being JC himself, no, I don't think that way, it is jus that he is the first real leader the libs have had for years and, had we had him las election, he would have won then to.

The labor brand is on the nose and most likely will be for a decade or so

So I say again, enjoy it while you can.

Banjo: My reference to you being a member of the 'Happy Clappers' was tongue in cheek, I do not believe you are Fred Nile or one of his supporters, please accept my apologies.
The biggest critics of us Greens are, surprisingly not conservative Liberal voters, although they are not to keen on us, but older rusted on conservative Labor voters, the people who vote labor because the 'old man' did. I see two reasons for this, firstly they believe The Greens are a danger, trying to take 'their ground, their political patch' but there is more to it than that. On social justice issues conservative Labor tend to be more conservative that many small 'l' Liberal supporters, who tend to support the Liberal Party more for their economic policies than anything to do with social justice.
I am not upset at all with the present big shift to the right, although to me its not that big a shift, the voters don't have to jump to far to the right to transfer their allegiance from Labor to Liberal. When Abbott replaces Gillard I see that as a positive for The Greens in the longer term, a chance to clearly define our independence of Labor