Dear Belly,

I have been active in politics for about 66 years and am 86 years old.

Left/right means little. On the extreme right was Hitler. On the extreme left was Lenin. Neither worth a pail of warm spit. I don’t want to be on any right/left spectrum. In 1932 in the US there were two bankrupt parties – the Democrats were an alliance of big city political machines and of southern white supremacists. The Republicans were an alliance of corporate interests and northern bible bashers.

Norman Thomas had been running for president unsuccessfully six times on a non-Marxist Socialist ticket, but he was promoting ideas like social security, control of corporate abuses, environmental consciousness which were absent in the two major parties but were much the same ideas that the current Greens are presenting.

Franklin Roosevelt got nominated for president by the Democratic Party in 1932 and ran a fairly conservative campaign. Due to the Depression the people threw one set of rascals out and threw another set in. When FDR got elected he introduced the New Deal which incorporated most of the ideas that Norman Thomas had been promoting. These ideas were accepted by many because Thomas had made them familiar to people.

The Greens are promoting ideas which go beyond passing out goodies to sections of the electorate. In Queensland neither party is willing to control fracking which can destroy our aquifers. It is a Green concern as are other concerns which are shared by neither party. I don’t see the Greens as ever taking government, but I see Green ideas picked up by some thoughtful pol in one of the major parties after the public has been educated to them analogous to the way FDR brought Thomas' ideas into the New Deal. Labor and the Libs are currently bankrupt as the democrats and Republicans were in 1932.

I hope for little from CN and little from Labor if they had won. Maybe life can be injected into them by the Greens.

Hasbeen: I note you made reference to people from "China, perhaps India, or would you prefer someone from Africa? Why did you single out these people you didn't mention people from the USA or England didn't mention Europeans, why?
"Personally I am not interested in reporting to anyone but an Ozzie, so the greens have no place in my life, or country." You do not care what they represent so much, as long as they are not Chinese, Indian and heaven forbid African. I would much prefer to be represented by a Nelson Mandela from Africa, than a James Saleam, even if he is 'Ozzie'.

Ultimately, the scientific reality of climate change and global warming and the effects that it brings will force change of its own accord, assuming that the scientists are correct and or that we do not come up with a means to deal with it in another way.

And though I am pro *GreenBrowny* I have never been a fan of the carbon tax.

And certainly, I was very much opposed to the lack of transparent and accountable public consultation pre the decision being made.

I think *Belly* may be correct that indeed this will turn out costly for the *Greens* in the future in terms of their growth.

(Incidentally, I had a look at your TAPP reference, came across some interesting historical political trivia on Wikipedia, a dead link to the current "party" if it can be called that, and a mish mash of unprofessional stuff on a 3rd party hosting site regarding the political aspirations of an ex military character, now medically discharged.)

I am curious about your pro *Shorten* stance though as I actually have a piece of correspondence from him. A lawyer mate who read his blather assumed he was a junior staffer of some description. My view, is that he is clearly a party man, and champion for same above and beyond the interests of the people he was purporting to represent at that time. Still, I would be interested to hear more at some point.

Incidentally *Shadow Minister* I think that it is a shame that the dexxie chewing nurses aren't being subjected to mandatory drug testing and as for the thieving of hospital stocks, well, maybe something will be considered now that a corruption watchdog is being set on the AFP and Customs, who also need to lift their game if they are to prevent envelopes containing 1 or 2 Cannabis Cup winning seeds being prolifically imported into the country.

Paul that is the type of small minded reply I should have expected from a green. Is it too hard to believe that I might have a genuine reason for this statement? This smug self satisfied condescending attitude simply adds to the unattractiveness of the party.

I mentioned the 3 areas I would expect to control a world government because,

1/ As they have the largest populations, I would expect them to dominate.

2/ The days of supremacy of Europe the US & Japan both economically, & militarily are well & truly numbered in my opinion. Even without any stupidity of UN control, these peoples will be dominating sometime soon.

I believe that European/US peoples, & us due to our association with them, would be treated rather harshly by any world government that was established. The harshness with which they treat their own less privileged would make anything else unlikely.

I also would expect an application of something very similar to China's cultural revolution would very shortly follow the establishment of such a government. I expect it would be our self styled elites, who promote this foolishness that would be the first to find themselves manicuring their new masters lawns, with nail scissors.

Fortunately Asians are a bit more choosy who they join with than foolish westerners, so they will prevent this rubbish occurring for us.

All views have value, really?
A blinkered look,even a brief one, at our country history will show the last near left government was 1972 till 1975.
And that, part fragmentation of the ALP lead to formation of the greens.
And it is the ALP certainly the greens, who once claimed conservatives won office and ruled.
Without majority vote.
Once first past the post voting would have seen Labor as our government every election.
Thoughts,wishes, dreams, opinions,change nothing.
Politics is pure maths.
Just as a far more sure footed break away the Democrats died, so will the greens.
Dave congrats on age and all that but I remain baffled at your opinion of my link.
Greens are for the most part well educated.
Surely then they have seen, both their rise on Labors problems.
And in recent state elections their failure to gain or even keep numbers at Labors lowest point.
Abbott intends a DD election after he takes office,Australia will give him a mandate in the senate.
Greens are obstructionist and unconcerned at majority views, or consensus

Hasbeen: I took your comment for what it is, racist. as it only referred to peoples by race, China, India, Africa ans 'Ozzie' Africa is a colonial patch work of states some 54 countries with a total population of around 1 billion people, unlikely to make a bid for world domination at this time. The United States is the worlds 3rd largest country by population with over 300 million and the worlds leading economic and military power, yet you failed to mention them at all. Your words "or would you prefer someone from Africa?" the smug implication in this is Africans are inferior people You go on to say "personally I am not interested in reporting to anyone but an Ozzie." Again the only criteria for your reporting is they must be of the "Ozzie" race, again race is set apart, regardless of their mental state, regardless of their ideology as long as they are "Ozzie"
In reply you then do some crystal ball gazing as to what you expect to transpire, nothing of which was mentioned in your first post on 'world government'. It seems a rather hastily contrived set of assumptions at best. material I would expect to find on The Australia First Party's homepage.Small minded is the person who bases their argument solely on race.
Do you agree with this statement? "Many Australians fear that something is happening, that is a real threat to Australia and to their lives and livelihoods." if you do then you may find The Australia First Party and not The Greens would be the party for you. Freedom of choice, something I believe in. Please come back and tell me you are not racists.