" I consider further slanging match's with you uncalled for."

Especially if you have no idea of what you are talking.

The solution is Pacific.

The argument that because an official in Chris Bowen's department does not think it would work is ludicrous. What has changed?

Belly, you say,
A hung Parliament,it cripples public debate, it cripples our Parliament on this issue.

A very valid point, so why not end it by calling an election now.

If labor looses, and most certainly rob Oakshot, it will no longer be their problem, so what's the problem wit that.

579, so where to when the billions pledged to save the car industry.

You must remember, just saving jobs is no guarantee profits will follow,which by the way, is what is required, unless of cause we just want to keep throwing money at the problem.

Education is wasted on some.
I remember graduating from reading the historical page in the Sydney daily mirror.
Cutting them out and keeping them, as I learned to read.
The joy of buying my first books.
I soon found not every one thought as I did.
And too, the ideas I once had , in fact had been wrong, that in truth with understanding,I did not think like that.
SM/Rechtub may never have had that joy, i was in my teens before I learned to read, learned to learn,every day.
The best SM can do is tell me my views are phony, not just wrong, he says I am slave to my party.
That I am unable to think for myself.
Rechtub,like a sparrow in a shopping mall picks up the crumbs.
Telling me,plaintively, Labor should surrender,call an elect mid term.
Give government to a man unfit to clean the halls of Parliament.
Gentlemen, if my thoughts are those of others.
What am I to make of yours.
I find it difficult to even consider thought is involved.
Rechtub, currently reading the life story of Ken Aurthorson, NRL great.

Any thing Oakshot say is fodder for Conservatives slanders.
But lets watch.
This issue is to become heated and headlines again, soon
Such an issue,one day, will become the single thread of wool that grabs on to something.
And unravels the Abbott leadership.
Bound to happen, what a good day!
For even his party, who could put politics first,country second and if not Abbott and his mate Brown who?

Belly,

In 2 years Oakeshott will be a distant memory, and a lesson to those that betray their electorate.

Talking about distant memories and lessons to be learned ...

How many Prime Ministers were tossed out of
their own electorates - most recently? One
name comes to mind - Mr John Howard.
First his own
party wanted hin to step doen as PM, and he refused.
Then finally he was thrown out of his own electorate.
And with time - people will forget him.

How many Opposition leaders will go down in history
for sloganeering, "scrap the tax," "stop the
boats," of obstruction, and no ideas or
policies of any substance - having become famous
for the two letter word - "NO!" ?

That's the problem with finger-pointing - it's never
one sided.

As for Rob Oakshott's Private Bill. It's only an attempt
at finding a olution to the asylum-seeker issue - and it's
an attempt that tries to accomodate the "Nay-sayers."
But of course the problem is that the man is doing
something intelligent - he's looking for answers.
Which is something not everyone understands.

"Ignorance is a word that is constantly heard
Intelligence is a word that is not.
Intelligence I am told is more precious than gold
Intelligence, I have read, is hot.
Intelligence is a word that to me is superb
And ignorance but a drug on the mart
And some pollies in Parliament can act like fools
But intelligence, old chap, is an Art."