Yuyutsu,

How can you accept the existence of god without accepting the existence of an anti-god. 86% of Americans believe in an anti-god, are they wrong?
Interested in this line from your quote:
"a time to kill and a time to heal." please explain, I don't understand this "time to kill" when is that? can you give me a modern day example of the time to kill.

I didn't make reference to you quote from the Hindu. You called my reference to Satan as "silly". Hinduism, an ignorant ideology that believes in a 1000 gods and sacred cows, who's silly?

The truth to all this is 'we' fashion god and religion to suit ourselves. Religion is all about what makes us feel good, what serves our own particular interests, or the interest of a few. Religion is all about control of society and there is no better way to control than divide and conquer, by its very nature religion must set one person against another, otherwise it serves no purpose in the scheme of things. for the ignorant there is no greater authority to fear than god, those in control are always claiming to speake with the authority of god.. Is it not a case of "kill the infidels" oft quoted line from religion. Lots of references in the 'good book' to killing.

Still looking in and let the thread go as it will.
All threads find other branches of the same tree to explore.
And I often climb every one.
Nothing wrong with that, some interesting stuff comes to light.
But my mind was focused on the in my view extraordinary thought that the Christian cross could be dangerous.
I considered for a while and could, truly think of no real reason, unless ALL RELIGIONS public displays went.
Even then why?
Evolution may see it, humanity's evolution.
Maybe post a war that will be so very awful, and just maybe not far away,it will take place.
Evolution of humanity is not just the length of our fingers and such.
As we dither,yes wander around subjects, we may be letting true insults to our freedoms sneak under our gard.

Dear Paul,

If you bothered to read my posts about religion and God on several threads here, you would have known that I do not accept the existence of God.

Why are you bothering me about the beliefs of Americans? They have the right to believe whatever they like, it's none of my business.

"a modern day example of the time to kill"? Wasn't it the right thing to kill Hitler?

Just as you didn't bother reading my previous posts, you obviously didn't bother to read the Hindu scriptures first-hand either. If you did, you wouldn't be making such ignorant assumptions and questions. Those 1000 or so deities have nothing to do with God and no Hindu will make that mistake. For lack of English vocabulary, or perhaps due to sloppy translation, these were translated by some in the West from the Sanskrit 'deva' into 'gods' (with a small 'g'). A better translation that is sometimes used would be demi-gods, while a few of those could be roughly translated into 'angels'. In any case, those have nothing to do with God (and in fact do not even resemble the Abrahamic god). I do however have no patience at the moment to start explaining to you what these are all about, except that it's irrelevant to the current discussion.

What you call 'god' has little to do with God.
What you call 'religion' has little to do with religion.
Those humans that purport the actions you refer to ("kill the infidels") probably have no idea themselves about either.
I have tried to explain and clarify, but you keep falling back on your former vulgar ideas, which I never endorsed, and based on these you are quick to pass blind sentence on what you have no clue about, claiming "The truth to all this is..." based on a bunch of lies.

It seems that all you are interested in is to blacken the name of certain people and organizations which seem to hinder your social goals. You are not ready for a serious theological discussion.

Yuyutsu,

"a modern day example of the time to kill"? Wasn't it the right thing to kill Hitler? NO! If legitimacy is given to killing one, in this case that bad bloke Hitler then legitimacy is given to killing Himmler, another bad bloke, then Goring, another bad bloke, before you know it legitimacy is given to killing 20 million bad blokes. I do not condone the waging of war as a 'good act'.
I can see you have a different concept of religion that is not the mainstream concept. Your concept is somewhat abstract but you have put some thought into your belief and came up with your notion of religion. The vast majority of devotees have no thought on the subject but allow their belief to be dictated from on high, aka the holy father speaks, and when he does its mostly "Thou shall not.." this or that. I do not say that all that is contained in todays religions is all bad, there is some good, but on balance I say the bad done by religion (mainstream) far out weighs any good that is being done. Most of the good being done could well take place without the religious input.

"The view as if "Religion is a red herring" comes from the ignorant belief that religion requires one to do such-and-such, especially to act unnaturally: Religion is most natural and you embark on it unaware the moment you are born, but it is indeed unnatural and futile to try following someone else's religion."

Then Yuyutsu, why on earth would I wish to follow yours?

I explained why I believe religion is a red herring - precisely because every person has to decide what to do from moment to moment, whether they are ostensibly religious or not. To be judged ignorant for this is insulting.

What is 'natural' is as difficult to define as religion, and far more tendentious.

religions...by and large have more feet
in the materialism camp
than the spirit realm..

let alone anything truely worthy
of the good god they claim

yet decree's he is to..kill off
lol..those having their revealations of the other messanger

its all about god
not just a single mess/anger's..mess-age

paul said/quote..""Yuyutau you quote from Ecclesiastes 3.
"He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old,
who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

[/quote]
ok so satan has been bound..for a 1000 years
or unleased...and about to?

[quote]..and he cast him into the bottomless pit,
and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.[/quote]
25th dec 2012
[quote]..""
on But after these things
he must be released
for a little while.
Revelation 20:2,3...[/quote]

release date=3012..[dec 26th]

[quote]Another case of selective bible reading
take what suits you,..disregard the rest.[/quote]
revelations was a prophecy
clearly 'the goings on cant continue''
so satan..AND HIS MINIONS*

hit the pits soon

[quote]
Clearly according to the book of truth
Satan exists. You can't have it both ways.[/quote]
satan is an embodyment...made up in the minds of men

belief makes his mirage real
seeing sin..is the first step
to keeping the satan delusion alive