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2012 a year that challenges the ALP

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I learn from every post you ever do Individual.
Not trying to be sarcastic.
Just honest 1972 till 1975 was the time period you speak about.
I wounder how much further back you would go to find blame?
We all must understand,we do not have all the answers.
And surely, rational thought,can not let any one capable of thought think all wrong comes from one side.
I could, without much trouble,put in to print concerns about todays ALP.
In fact have, in every post here.
You? well you fail, your self, in every post.
C J Morgan, in debate with you, long ago, highlighted you seem unable to put meat on the bones of your complaints and statements.
You remind me,true, of car insurance claimers, blaming any one but the one who bought about the smash.
EG if he had not been there I would not have hit him.
I was distracted by a woman in another car, she made it happen.
Enjoy your post style, it keeps me grinning.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 6 January 2012 4:02:27 PM
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Belly,
as per your style you're evading truth with nonsense rhetoric. It wouldn't bother if there were only a few with your mentality/integrity. Unfortunately, with the conniving assistance of a couple of so-called independents your lot outnumbered those who care about this country.
Now look where we are ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 6 January 2012 6:33:09 PM
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2011 was a year that saw me ask myself questions, based on my view of politics and the way I put them.
Individual played no small part in my beginning those thoughts.
And continues to play a roll.
Thoughts? would I be better hiding my true opinions?
Is it better to ignore posts that seem bottomless in laying claims I see as both unfounded and uninformed.
I have seen good posters no longer in habit this section, flee to articles, as I did once.
Am not unaware some may have migrated away from me.
I think this thread, and my post history, shows while I am ALP not blindly so, demandingly so yes.
Demanding accountability, improvement ,constantly.
Far more, many more, than individual , make claims about me as the one above.
I have no choice,I MUST BE ME! Indy that statement is so unfounded it questions your ability's.
My next post is on behalf of conservatives, it takes the place of all but ROberts failure to find any fault in the party so far from the one Sir Robert founded.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 7 January 2012 5:14:21 AM
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We will always have them, the mud throwers, those who get their in depth information from the papers the fish and chips came in.
Then those who like Indy hold a life time grudge about events that may or may not have been bought about by an ALP government nearly 40 years ago.
Others talk of communism and Socialism,a sign like a neon light that they know nothing.
Conservatives are not issued at birth with Halos.
Factionalism, branch stacking exist in equal numbers.
So too is solidarity, protecting your own, a blanket to deceive those who trust them.
Right now, like sea gulls feeding of a beach the crys about greens and Labor, my voice amung them, ignores the internal strife Liberals face.
The right, raced away from the ground Labor took, yes it did.
Right conservatives are a promise without a foundation.
Tea party has dropped out in America,it failed to sell other than to its committed followers.
Abbott is no Liberal, kept afloat by Gillards unpopularity.
But hung Parliament takes blame too.
Conservatives one day will re inhabit the ground they fled, That will make it hard for an unchanged ALP to compete.
But flogging the ALP while finding no reason to look in a mirror is no road to progress.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 7 January 2012 5:31:18 AM
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The way Labor is going, let alone 2012, I imagine that walking in a straight line challenges Labor.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 7 January 2012 12:46:15 PM
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Finding alternative ways to cope with rapid change in an
increasingly complex world is one of the most difficult
tasks of any government in our modern society. It requires
more flexible systems of decision-making. Many administrative
structures set up to cope with former problems are now
obsolete.

As I've stated in the past - condemnation does not achieve
anything contructive. Any one can do that. We should stop
playing the part of "victims," and blaming the current
government. We have to all emerge and claim our individuality.
Not in a blatant and arrogant way, but so as to be part of a
whole as a thinking individual rather than simply to inherit
the opinion of the group.

It means we should never hide behind a group. The onus would
be on ourselves to take the responsibility for our decisions.
It is perhaps in this ability to be responsible as individuals
that the strength and spirit of any society lies. We should
consider what we can do for our fellow man rather than what
we can do for ourselves. We have to stop being greedy -
how much is enough?

We have to recognise the vulnerability of our planet.
All efforts to support economic growth, feed more people and
mine more minerals requires very large amounts of energy.
Amounts that are doubling over the years. There's only so
much fossil fuel, only so much hundred-million-year-old
sunlight in storage. We're burning our capital. We're running
close to the end of the fossil fuel economy.

We need to elect governments that are capable of making the
right decisions for the nation. Some won't like the idea of
re-distributing material wealth, but it's an idea that comes
not from ideology but from the logic of ecology.
Seen in political form, conservation is not a plot by the
rich to keep the poor poor. On the contrary, it suggests the
rich are rich enough, and the poor must become better off
fo that they are not forced to degrade nature to simply feed
their children.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 7 January 2012 1:37:57 PM
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