Belly I was wrong 150% its actually 250% of Australians support me. Stop gazing into your crystal ball, it out of tune. If you want to get the real facts about the 2000 and Portaloos start consulting your tea leafs, they would have to be more reliable that out of tune crystal thing. Julie and the gang are having a meeting in a Portaloo right now, you can't miss it, just look for the words ALP Conference on the door. As for a 'vote' at these Labor talk fests, to quote you:
"I know your policy's, have stood on the floor watching them beaten to pulp at Labor conferences." This imply's there is some kind of democracy within the ALP where the rank and file have a voice and, don't laugh, a vote.The only thing that gets "beaten to pulp" at ALP conferences is the ALP Left by the Right as they impose the will of the 'faceless few'.
I think I have worked you out, you say your a Labor man, a trade unionist,etc, yet you have right wing views and said you voted for the conservatives. Are you a member of The Democratic Labor Party (DLP)? The reincarnation of Bob Santamariea. The only thing I can suggest for the ALP is to dust off the old weegie board see if they can get in contact with the long dead John and Chif' could even get Arthur on the line, get back to some real Labor values, before its too late and the party self destructs. That's not a 'light on the hill' you see its a ticking time bomb about to blow the ALP apart.

Paul 1405 You have my deepest bloke, pushing that greens barrow up and down that hill and finding it is up side down can not be easy.
And,as we both know, here you can pretend you are party of a majority.
Tell you some truths.
Being part of 12% is not great.
IGNORE at your peril for every voter you have 88 who do not vote for you.
And getting policy's up in the porta loo, motions to ban coal, or legalize drugs, is not good.
Try to consider this, us awful ALP members , the much loved Conservatives, love easy wins, out number you.
I knew a bloke who had the perfect green moto, I know I am wrong but I am right.
Paul get angry but remember your promised out comes in the NSW election/lemming march.
You got it so wrong, as you do here, remember, Labor was at its lowest ever.
And your lost crew could not get it done.

Belly I'll ask again. Are you Bob Santamaria reincarnated and a member of the Labour Party, that is the Democratic Labour Party (DLP)? On the political spectrum I would sit you somewhere on the right between Attila The Hen and Ronnie Reagan.
Anger and hate are reserved for the ALP, the right faction hates the left faction, the left gets angry with the right etc etc, no time to fight the conservatives too busy fighting each other. I don't have anger nor do I hate anyone get along with all Greens, one big happy (Green) family. You play the blame game, stay in denial, all the troubles of the ALP are caused by us 'watermelons'. Please don't mention the NSW State Election, as far as the ALP is concerned it is still very much an open wound that is going to take a very very long time to heal. In fact I think the injury is mortal and the patent will die. More ALP effluent floated to the service at the ICAC this week in the form of Ian Macdonald, your old mate from your union days. After the ALP handed government to the conservatives on a platter her in NSW you again try to blame The Greens for not stopping the rot. We were happy with our vote and result got 3 up in the LC and Jamie Parker won Balmain. Unlike the ALP with their declining membership etc, 'Its Time' (like socialism, you ALP mob must never mention the Whitlam Government, its taboo, Rupert will get upset again and chuck you out) to put the old girl ALP down, The Greens grow stronger by the day, with so many committed young people joining the party.

Grow as strong as you like, unless people vote for you you get no-where. First of all you have to get Bob to retire. He is somewhat over the top. Then tell people what you stand for. We are to far removed from the stone age to return, so you have to be careful with policies. Live export of sheep and cattle will continue Why should we be concerned how the importers like their meat. If they do not get it from us they will get it from some-where else, and that is backward. I always get the feeling there is a religious component in the greens, agenda. Maybe not main stream ,but almost a hippy mentality.

579,
"First of all you have to get Bob to retire. He is somewhat over the top" Why? Answer We conservatives don't like his politics, get a leader who is an Uncle Tom suitable to us.
"Then tell people what you stand for. We are to far removed from the stone age to return, so you have to be careful with policies" why? Answer We conservatives don't like Green policies that show you are not 'good little n@#%$@'.
"Live export of sheep and cattle will continue Why should we be concerned how the importers like their meat. If they do not get it from us they will get it from some-where else, and that is backward." Why? Answer to us conservatives the all mighty dollar is God. Greens let morality get in the way of making a buck. The only good policy is policy that makes me money, morality and concern for you fellow man is for wimps, get some good conservative money making policy.
"I always get the feeling there is a religious component in the greens, agenda. Maybe not main stream ,but almost a hippy mentality."
Why? Answer, If your not main stream conservative in a 3 piece suit and your whole life doesn't revolve around making money then I think there is something wrong with you. God who in their RIGHT mind wouldn't love making money. That's all we have to talk about.
579 on the political spectrum please take a seat to the right of Belly and sit with George W Bush. Some people, gee wiz don't love money, care about their fellow man etc etc gee they must be crazy, just talking to myself, hummmmmm.

Paul 1405 thanks.
See insults like that are in debate just as in face to face debate evidence you are upset, because of the truth in my words.
I despise those you mentioned, no less than the lost ALP rats in the ranks of the greens.
Good things in the polls today, not for the stationary greens but my mob.
Do NO is at his lowest popularity since taking over from Turnbull.
Labor gained a point.
I see our country's leaders as two hopeless drunks propping each other up.
While swapping insults.
And each can thank the other,and the party's they hold back, for not thinking party first.
Both will go soon.
Had an interesting night, weird noises in the garden.
Thought it was the greens morris dancing in the nude .
Thankfully only flying foxes pinching my plums.