Banjo, fair dinkum I have conceded the next election.
Labor has too, it refuses to confront Gillard could not win a raffle.
Now it must be some deal, done but not told about, we know some, maybe greens, say they go if Gillard does.
Wilkie will not change.
Judge me not on my Labor party membership.
Think with me, why these lies
1 Its a TAX
2 It is Labors idea
3 It will not stop the problem/gamblers?
It will reduce clubs in take by 40% what of those two is the lie?
Football tax yet 90% are not in football clubs

Stay with me.
I have always known the cheaper beer fine facility's ARE IN PART paid for by addicts.
And believe totally some are only addicted to poker machines.
NSW sold our poor, to hotels for election contributions ,MOSTLY TO MY PARTY.
And cash rewards went to maggots in my party.
Why did we let machines[ numbers once tightly controlled] in to pubs.
Is it ok to build palaces called clubs,see Panthers NSW wide, pack them full of machines, and not bar some known to have problems.
History will stare back at us today, and see we play the party not the problem.
One day, IF BRAVE ENOUGH! some party will confront a social evil poker machines, it may well be conservatives.
Public interest not politicized should lead.
Loudmouth, Joe, you are on to some thing.
Gillard should TOMORROW! test the high court ruling,send boats to Nehru, if they are stopped by that court both party's must behave like adults .

While we are, all of us political in our comments if the thread continues can we return to its intended path.
Nanny states yes political in practice but should any form of government defend /not defend us from our selves.
Smoking/drinking Drugs/ we see detractors of measures to control or limit.
How do we feel about laws to stop under age drinking.
Driving too fast/too young.
And do we want all restrictions on drug use removed, kids too?
Society in my view builds fences to protect the many, some times from the few.
No fence , no safety net , I firmly would rather some freedom go than some damage to our ability to live together.

I wonder if anyone has pointed out to our PM & her assembly of inadequate individuals that the word is reform not deform ?

Belly you are still building straw man arguments.

As I said earlier in the thread there are very few true anarchists around, most who have concerns about excessive intrusion of government into peoples lives accept that government has a place.

You don't help the thread by arguing that it's all or nothing nor by assuming that those with opposing views have the same attachment to the liberal party that you have to labor nor by assuming that we support every claim made by the clubs.

There's an email going around falsy attributed to Bill Cosby. Called I'm tired it's as far as I can tell based on this blog http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html

Some parts don't resonate for me, still thinking about other parts but it's an interesting read in terms of PC issues which travel with the nanny state.

I'm well and truly tired of some of those things as well. I'm really tired of governments which take from me to give to those who could won't work for it themselves. Of governments who limit my freedoms and choices because others who could take responsibility for their own choices are told that they don't need to do so.

I'm tired of a mentality that says that if the fence was not good enough to stop you climbing it it's the fault of the fence builder not your fault for ignoring the obvious risk right in front of you.

If the path is dangerous to walk on a hand rail is a good thing, if the view is stunning it does not need a 10ft barbed wire topped fence because some people might try and stand right on the edge without it or climb a lesser fence.

R0bert

Robert:

...I hope this will allay your fears of Government encroachment into OH&S issues, to know that in my area is a beautiful view from atop a 100 foot cliff, and totally unfenced, with a well maintained path sponsored by the local council. A great place to commit suicide (many try), where a helicopter may land in complete safety to pick up the remains of idiots that fell or jumped! Just like the old days

RObert we drift apart here.
The link is simplistic and has been around in one form or another for 50 years.
We should not believe everything we read, EG the baseless child like one liner not related to the subject of INDIVIDUAL, it, sadly is the best he/she can do.
You seem intent on talking lately about other issues, Senator Hansen Young thread,I left rather than feed a troll, WAS NOT ME DEFENDING LABOR.
This is not our system of social security, taxes.
My intention was one single thought.
Is making rules, any rule,reducing some freedoms to protect some nanny state at work.
Is personal freedom a reason to over ride common sense .
Drugs, IF police/politicians/rich business men stopped profiting from them we could wipe them out.
About minimum 2500 lives a year need not be lost.
Thousands destroyed.
Was the idea of taxing the drinks the Young abuse a good/bad one.
Is it our right to say we must try to stop them killing them selves,straw men?
Have we the right/duty to save some from them selves.
Social welfare is a different issue.
I am sad that any spotlight on change or reform is darkened by the views political ones,of some.
History will require answers to how we got so lost in this time that bad leadership poor media,stopped open debate .