We [as the colonising Occupiers] seem to be determined to make the Indigenous locals avaricious, all consuming Westerners - the ones that Big Business love .
We are imposing our dubious Standards .
As they look at the facts of their previous wealth being acquired for nothing and being distributed all over the world ,their Culture Disrespected ,I cannot possibly see why they wouldn't go out and bust their guts to give whites a nice profit on their labour !
The answer is a re insertion of the Values that they respect into their everyday lives and Education ,without whites looking down their noses at their every mistake and difference .
A Comphrensive Treaty encompassing Land , Resources and a Political Accomodation of their Difference is required - such as the Maoris received in 1865 .
No wonder the Whites in New Zealand do the Haka and no wonder the Maoris sing their National Anthem in English [as well as Maori ] with gusto !
"Their" Teamwork in Rugby Union dammit ,is worth noting also .

Belly we have the right to stop people smoking where others are going to be exposed to the smoke. We have the right to stop people smoking around children. We have the right to fine the pants off the idiots who drop their butt's all over the place but I don't think we have the right to stop people who want a slow and painful suicide from taking it. There is an argument that the reduced life span actually saves the taxpayer money, not sure how true that is.

If I've got the right to stop someone doing one thing that's unhealthy should I also have the right to stop other things that are unhealthy - big gut's on men, lack of regular exercise (or maybe too much exercise), too much exposure to the sun, not enough exposure too the sun, living with a difficult partner, drinking more than the recommended maximum daily quantities of alcohol. That list could go on and on. Found an online test http://gosset.wharton.upenn.edu/mortality/perl/CalcForm.html maybe a whole bunch of things in there that we should stop people doing as well because they contribute to an early demise or ill health.

The nanny state mentality does not do well with stopping at boundaries that respect the rights of others to make choices, it goes beyond helping those who lack the capacity to make good choices and finds excuses to impose it's "help" or restrictions on others.

As a society we are damaged by the move away from personal responsibility, individuals are damaged by imposed reduction in choice.

Feel free to facilitate problem gamblers being able to wear an ankle bracelet that sets their limits, or let them be micro-chipped if that works.

R0bert

Jim,

Thanks for your questions, although they are mostly quite inappropriate. Answers:

a) Not relevant. She was an elder herself actually.

b) All undergraduate courses available externally through all SA universities.

c) (i) The people in the community - at least their ancestors - had been embedded in the Australian economy since the 1830s. Most men in the late 1800s were fully employed all their lives in 'Western' occupations, shearers, bakers, bootmakers, farmers, millers. English is everybody's first and only language: the last person to speak the full language died fifty years ago. The last man initiated went through an abbreviated form of the rituals in about 1880.

c) (ii) Of course not, no southern communities are. Blame history for that.

d) Yes, to the extent that this is relevant.

I look forward to the day when people on the conservative Left raise even a small cheer for the efforts of tens of thousands of Indigenous people to escape from welfare and join the working world, as workers, as tradespeople and as professionals. But I'm not holding my breath.

Back in the twenties and thirties, Jim, the conservative Right wanted to push 'tribal' people, 'myalls' as they called them, back out into the desert (so claimed by Mrs M.M. Bennett, a genuine member of an honorable Left). Where would you have stood then ?

Joe

RObert will address your issues in another post.
Jim and Joe.
I was bought up around westernized first Aussies,they wanted it that way.
A brother wed one such two nephews too.
My union days bought me fellow workers wed to such, and mates in the job who traced part of their ancestry back to Aboriginal and lived as such.
My history of assisting these folk went way back to work places and help out side work.
Then I got the work place responsibility too.
Took 300 such under my wing, they took me under theirs.
Much of that was hard stuff, shy/fearful/failed folk from the bottom end of life , along side the very best.
I got on very well, because I needed to understand, why?
Why could some not read or write.
Why two or three could not even count their wages.
Some, far more than you think could not fill in a time sheet.
Why
Some, East coast, not outback, had been raped male on male from age 6.
Some had been bashed by drunks all their childhoods.
One had twice, seen siblings murdered in front of them.
WHY
We know why, but we fail every one us too by not understanding we just must stop this.
Until we do we are no better than Apartheid was.

Robert ,We don't want a Nanny State, we do want people to be equipped with ALL the relevant information to make what to most people would be a line of action .
Our DNA ,past experiences ,good and bad, could cloud our decision making - the " old Tapes" playing in the background are not always going to take us to the decision that seems logical .
If someone has had a bad experience that affects their daily life ,we should help to lessen it's imact on decision making if that's what is wanted by the individual.
Jo ,thanks for the answers - just trying to get an idea of the Community .
"I look forward to the day when people on the conservative Left raise even a small cheer for the efforts of tens of thousands of Indigenous people to escape from welfare and join the working world, as workers, as tradespeople and as professionals. But I'm not holding my breath."
Don't know why you would think the above of the Left - I've no complaints about Aboriginal People joining your "working world " .
It should not be White Government Imposed at the Expense of their Culture and Language.
I used to learn French at school - was handy overseas,Indigenous People who want to get Educated in their own working languages for some parts of their Education should be able to do it .
How would I have thought in the 20's and 30's on pushing Aboriginals back to the bush ??
I would have had a typical Settler Attitude is my guess - with a few more calls to get the Dr out to the Station if needed.
Like the choices available for Remote Communities today - do they go to town, lose better health [as reports indicate] language, for the sake of higher Education and big money or do they stay in the bush ?
If they are doing better in the bush [with some help from us] and prefer to stay,then they can stay there forever as far as I'm concerned .

kartiya jim,
Are you placing the Aboriginal of 1865 on the same level as the Maori ? If you do than you really are not being realistic. Culures/Civilisations did not evolve in pace with others. Just look at the europeans in comparison to the Inca or the egyptian. Then you had several highly developed Asian civilisations. They all came & went before the european caught up. The time just hadn't come for the Aborigine as yet. This varying cycle of evolution is nobody's fault it's simply evolution. The do-gooder brigade wants to que-jump evolution & the Greens want to halt it. If only people could be like nature & have the patience to just let it happen, what a beautiful world it could be.