Thank you, Jim, I think you reveal a great deal of where the conservative Left stands in relation to the majority of Indigenous people and their rights, in your answer.

Joe

hate responding to generalities
but we miss that we arnt maories
but abn/origonie..[we have no 'chief']

we dont rule
we lived to survive
lived by concensus...with different 'leaders'..based on experience

we are the people..driven into the wilderness
left in the wilderness..when our children went into the ';promised lands'

we are those to whom the plough refused to yield
[gen 3;17-19]

we have no leaders
only the old ones

we have no prisons
your with us..or explelled
then whitfella come..and named the expelled ones chief

we know no one but biami owns cuntry
land cant be bought or sold..[cause biami aint selling it]
we are a part of the land..just like your hand is a part of your body

then came the nanny state
saying..we got laws..and you broke them
now you go to jail..and your kids go hungry...now they got no culture

now they dont know the law..now they dont even know their skin name..nor know their skin mate...so much has changed..yet nothing has changed..you give us the holy book..and the law books..

and..[you still cant take away the land]

the land is the dust of our ancestors
respect the dead..or we come back to haunt you

Bloke the jobs I speak of are such as national parks and forestry.
And for the most part those working in jobs put a side for them mentored me.
But too, they loudly and clearly want an end to failures from their relations.
It always came down to education and failures at home.
Whites often put the wrong people with the wrong plans in place to fix, and then add to the failure.

Belly , I reckon you are Right.
Jo , for some reason you seem to think, from your reply, that for Aboriginal People to simply Survive in the Bush has real problems .
What are the Problems that seem to annoy you so much ?

Hi Jim,

People can live where they like, and live with the consequences. I'm not so sure that many people are 'surviving' in the Bush, not without standard welfare payments and other financial transfers, nor that there is any long-term answer in dispersing the population across vast areas in tiny pockets: I don't believe a 'remoter the better' policy would be any improvement over the bad old days of the twenties.

But I guess we have to give the conservative Left time to catch up with, and learn from the mistakes and disasters of, the conservative Right which dominated policy for so long.

Three quarters of the Aboriginal population live in urban areas. Most are working. That's been their choice. What are the problems about that that seem to annoy you so much ?

Cheers,

Joe

Joe Jim here we are, three who without doubt want better for some Aboriginals.
And in part we take different paths.
I think I am conservative left,but with ideas not of that faction.
Look my ability has always been to sit with the true down and out,and listen.
It is so hard to try to tell a 30 year old, lost his wife and kids his job his life never got started, he must both except help and help himself.
I HAVE LIED a hundred times,to kick start again such a life, made promises to bosses and knew it was impossible to be sure he/she would not first let them selves down, the boss down and me down.
Those National parks jobs Forrest ones are good jobs, some get a kick start and rocket away uni the lot, come back and mentor others.
But, gee if only, if only reward for success replaced reward for failure.
IF only we cared enought to set this target.
One generation, just one,every kid leaving school having an education a job and a clean roof over their heads.
If we have to take the safety net,spiders web that it is away, Social welfare to succeed so be it.