Good one Lexi.

But Gillard remains a dud, with her personal political trajectory so far, 'policies' she has created so far even before becoming PM, and her performance to date as PM.

Rudd was more of the same, with both representing the 'new style' ALP that has no idea where it came from and trying hard not to go where it is destined to go. Obscurity and oblivion, as a meaningful 'leftish' political party. Not that is has ever been 'left wing' anyway.

Gillard is not unique, is what I mean. She comes from the damaged mold (mould?) of the 21st century ALP ambition-without-purpose, or maybe ALP-without-conscience-or-sense-of-history-and-future?

And, let us engage in conjecture for a moment.

Gillard goes, a 'man' takes over- who could it be? Not Swan, Belly's mate, Shortarse? Maybe.

Smith from WA, to shore up that Tory inclined vote?

Rudd, to claim back Qld (who suffers from a Hobson's Choice with a dud Bligh(t) or an equally dud Cando Campbell and might not want to be faced with another Hobson's).

Running out here, so it goes over to the Sheila's for a try.

Macklin, who has failed in every effort with her ALP Invasion of the NT?

Roxson? With a failed health policy.

Plibersek? Hardly. She WAS the minister for the status of women Lexi, and produced Sweet FA during her time there.

Ellis? hahaha might as well propose Hanson-Young as her.

Men, women, there is no 'overabundance' of talent is there?

This is an 'organic' meltdown of an old (and tired) political party, and I am rather enjoying it. What WILL happen?

Who knows, but whatever it is won't work, that much is for sure, because we are all so cynical.

Even if Jesus, Muhammad and Buddha came back to lead the ALP, no one would believe a word they said.

Lexi if you want Global Governance of Bob Brown and the Greens,you'd better make sure you and your children are up in the top 0.1% of the population,otherwise you won't fit the plan of the elites.

10% of our carbon taxes are for Bush's/Cheney's new World Order.With advancing robotics and computers,humans are now considered to be a burden on the planet.

Zibigniew Brezezinski,last yr," In the past it was easier to control a million people than kill them.Today it is infiniety easier to kill a million people than control them." Zibig was the chief foreign policy advisor to Jimmy Carter.He still has great influence over Obama.

William Holdren is the science advisor to Obama and has similar views.
Environmentalism is being used to justify a Global Govt which Bob Brown submits to.Have you been asked to vote for this? Adolph Hitler also used environmentalism to justify his agenda.Also note that Maurice Strong Billionaire the ex-secretary to the UN wants the world population reduced to half a billion along with that Lunatic Prince Charles.

It is an easy justification.Too many people destroying the planet and we need a few elites to take control for the greater good.It is happening right now and Gillard and the Greens are criminally complicit in this overthrow of democracy.

*What I am upset about is that she didn't choose an all female cabinet.
Maybe if she had done that, she wouldn't be in the mess she is in at the moment : )*

Nah Suze, they'd all be knitting whilst they bitched about one
another :) Go to any pub and watch what happens, when a younger,
more attrative female walks in. If looks could kill, there would
not be too many females left. Fact is that other females are a
bigger threat to women, then any man.

Cactus must be joking.Give the women some support.J Gillard " No Govt I lead will bring in a carbon tax." Wayne Swan."We will not bring in a carbon tax,it is Coalition scaremongering."

Treacherous,treasonous liars both of them.This is not democracy.You are just trying to twist the argument to make it look like prejudice against women by men.That is called obfuscation which makes you no better that Juliar.

TBC:"It seems to be similar to a trades union group seeking to assist trades unionists into parliament, or a farmers group supporting the political ambitions of farmers, or a business group and so on."

Or a church group that exists to promote the interests of the faithful and excludes all who don't subscribe to every piece of dogma. Think of the Exclusive Brethren. Remember the furore when it was suggested they had donated to support the Howard Government?

This is not equivalent to a Union or a business group. It is a faction within the ALP in all but name, possibly the most powerful faction of all. It deliberately seeks to split the aspirations of men and women. It is divisive and it operates behind the scenes, in a somewhat covert manner. It includes nearly every ALP woman as a member.

It is at least as powerful as the Catholic church once was within the Party and no more accountable. I would not be at all surprised to see at some time in the future a DLP-type schism within the ALP based on gender rather than religion, with the EL faction going their own way. Perhaps it'll be called the WLP. Or the FLP.

TBC:"Let us not forget, that the last ALP PM was SO bad and SO loathed within and without the ALP that HE was dumped."

He was selected for a lack of factional alignment. He had no power base. He was an easy target and he made himself easier by failing to align with the Right which is where he really belongs.

His position was nothing to do with gender. gillard's is everything to do with it. Big difference.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with most of what you've said. Interesting times indeed.

I don't think PM Gillard was lying when she said "No Carbon Tax--".
I think she meant it and only changed her mind when Bob Brown put the
PMship on the line with the CO2 Tax as a condition.

To my mind that was worse than lying, she in fact sold her soul to the
green devil. It suggests to me that she is politically naive.
She could have said to Brown, I can't do that but I can offer you some
other lollies.
Now, she is on Bob's hook and can wriggle all she likes but he won't
let here go, she is too valuable as a tenant.