Antiseptic, do ALP men ever join this funding source too?

I don't doubt for a minute that ALP pre-selection requires certain hoops to be jumped through, including signing up to this 'list' in order to get funding if you are a woman- perhaps Belly knows the details?

But maybe men do not feel they have to identify as 'men' given the domination of society by men?

I am not sure what point you are making though, so am not arguing against you- do advise what your 'Emily' beef is, please.

Gillard has not lowered feminine aspirations any more than male leaders or male politicians have lowered masculine aspirations and we have had a lot more male leaders (some good some bad) over the centuries. We really have to get over this obsession with gender.

I don't care what gender a PM is as long as they are competent and fair. The criticism towards the PM is overdone despite some poor choices such as the Carbon Tax which was the similar to Howard's undoing when he failed to take WorkChoices to the election and sprung it on an unsuspecting electorate without warning. Nobody was bringing up male aspirations then albeit he was not the first male PM. But why all the pressure on a female to be any different from her male counterparts?

Unfortunately the poor choices of politicians of all stripes tend to overshadow some of the positive reforms or programs, such as in the area of health and disability.

How is Abbott any better in raising masculine aspirations? I can't see a difference.

Let's stop looking between the legs and start focussing on the top half of the body - the brain.

Belly "Gillard before Rudd, even before her rise in the Parliament, was a far different person."

Yes Belly

but you should know, she being a socialist is merely showing her other face

that is why she has a live-in hairdresser

to save of presentatioan costs

the makeup is twice as much for the two-faced as it is for the single one

TBC you have been unfair with me here.
Go back to my posts the morning after she was placed on her blood stained throne.
I have never trusted her, or her team of grubs that put her there.
In 2007, I was riding high in my job, my boss was human, he was head of an IR group.
We heard Gillard talk, pre election, on IR, she is never will be, a person I trust or want in power.
If looking for a cleaner in any union or Labor office, she would need to produce extremely good proof before she got her hands on a mop and bucket from me.
Labor, long before the greens or conservatives had good women in its ranks, we will get one one day,not soon.
Col need I address this every day?
SOCIALISTS! like a fixed bayonet on a pop gun you charge at any non conservative with that taunt.
You are aware are you? the year is 2011?
My regards Col, if it be your wish I can write a short list of insults with meaning for you.
TBC? fair go bloke!Gillard is as loved by me as Maggy thatcher not at all.

We all know that if one woman screws up - all women are at fault. OLO has taught me so.

TBC:"maybe men do not feel they have to identify as 'men' given the domination of society by men?"

But men don't "dominate society". Some men hold some senior positions due to the fact that they tend to stay at the job more continuously for longer and to put the time in that senior positions demand. They are not selected because they are men, but because they have experience and a reputation for sound judgement. Women who have the same do as well, without any need for special treatment. Gail Kelly is the shining example and there are lots of others.

Women dominate the lives of their men, by and large, not the other way around. "Happy wife, happy life". This is not a trivial effect.

Most women know that most men feel good about taking care of the women in their lives and vice versa. We're allowing the strident minority to "frame the debate" into a gender fight that doesn't even exist for most people. That's dishonest squeaky-wheelism, which has been a hallmark of Feminist political activism.

And no, ALP men are not eligible for EMILY's List funding or mentoring. They are subject to the power of the Emily's List organisers to mobilise for or against them on cross-factional, genderist lines.

Yes, there are lousy male politicians, but they got there for other reasons than their gender. Therefore, gender is not a big issue for them, while many ALP women especially have made it their central and to some extent exclusive informing factor. Therefore, it is relevant to point out the influence of the group that put them there in determining the policy failures that have caused the decline of the ALP.