Belly,
You said, on page 5, "A UN with teeth /laws/a mission to act in the interests and under the rule of every country on these issues.
We surely must try, or be compared to Hitler"

That is what i was refering to, so I did read your posts and what you are proposing here is a world government and that I disagree with.

Jayb,
If you take your contention of 'let nature take its course' through to its logical conclussion, we would never have developed antibiotics or vacines, nor mended badly broken limbs or created other medical advances. Advances in most humen endeavours would not have taken place. Horses would not even have been used for transport.

If we know of a current adversity and we can help them we will do so, but there are some people who give thought to how to prevent such from reoccuring in the future, as well.

Or does your contention of non-intervention only apply to third world countries?

Banjo;
I don't think anyone suggests that medical drugs etc should not
be made available. Food is different, the land has to provide that but
if the land cannot support the people then there has to be less people.
So if aid supports them this time when the next drought comes then
more people will need support.
They did not take advantage of the last drought to reduce their
population so should we go around the loop again ?
Each time around the loop they become starved by less severe droughts
because there are more mouths than last time around the loop.

Over the centuries they should have adapted to their land.
Why didn't they ? Many other peoples in other lands have.

Bazz,
Read my posts on this thread and then google 'family planning in Iran' read that, then come back and dispute what I say.

Banjo we are not far apart I hate and fear one world government.
I fear it most, because some, left and right want it and because it in my view will one day be sold and or forced on us.
My new UN was to be just a tool not the government.
My reason for veto being only if 40% said so was USA Russia China currently can veto good deeds.
In my new UN I saw world governments together putting both men military and civilians cash and laws the majority of humans agreed to in place.
And a closely controls UN doing the work
first draft of my plan
Birth control
2 children per house hold ONLY
it gets down to this we are not helping feeding but letting the new borns die every ten years.
Standing by and letting them die is no option.
It may in no way look like my idea but we can do better fearing change is no answer.

If we look at this thread,many others too, we will see how hard it is to find answers.
I recommend we read every post, in fact all the time, some great ideas come from any poster.
Some, just look at the users logged in we never see posts from, may only come to chuckle at us.
But I would like to see more brain storming, less fear of change more understanding of the related impacts of acting or not acting.
Well past my use by date but not ready to surrender I want this and the next generation to be innovative, not to be afraid of change to look at improving every thing we do.
I now, predict this, humanity will not except change in these areas we debate quick enough, change will be forced on us,and some of it will be bad.
Power respects only power we could insist on being part of change but are too isolated to care.
We live increasingly insular lives big screen TV entertainment centers within our own walls.
And take it for granted she will be all right, some other silly bugger will do it.
We have lost the will to be community's.
For every death in Africa, every starving child another is born maybe soon two maybe already.
I just do not except we humans should not look for better.
If say Hendra Virus transfered to humans tonight, and in two weeks a third of our population was dead.
Would we ask for or expect help from the UN.

Now I lay the thread to rest.
Most of us did not try to find answers.
I fear most visitors, from any other country's who read our posts.
See we really are a weird mob us Aussies.
Do not judge us on this thread, its seeming lack of concern, we are not Representative.
Our country, much like America, is at war with its self, over bad government and worse opposition.
THERE! got my plug in! my party lead by the wrong person, propped up by self interest not my party's is in power.
We forget, every single one of us, that no party no government is always right always wrong for that matter.
And some, from the kids cubby house high in a tree, forget they too, get it wrong.
It would startle me! if just a couple ever got it right.
No we Australians do care put a dieing child in any set of arms and see us cry.
But we content ourselves with its only them, it their fault, fairy tails to, stop us addressing the fact death is no way to reduce world population.